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post #1261 of 1593
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Originally Posted by djkomrad View Post

yeah I will just keep the FX and be done with it. can't afford Intel right now anyway.
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Edit* so a quad is beating an 8 core. seems about right?!

Well you have 4 "true" cores (~4.00x scaling) with a much more powerful architecture in terms of per-core performance

vs

4 modules with lots of doubled-up resources and some stuff shared (~6.8x scaling) but weaker performance per thread
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And when WoW, sc2 and future rts/mmo or otherwise cpu bound games get mantle support, this discussion won't really be relevant - hopefully it happens before AMD's 2012-released FX becomes irrelevant, because i don't know of any games like this to be patched to mantle support or released new in 2014

I can't see anyone patching games for Mantle support (or if it's possible) so only new releases will get Mantle support.

But if all you plan on playing is current gen games for the next couple of years then sure, go Intel but that doesn't mean that AMD isn't viable for them either.
 
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post #1263 of 1593
I was looking at i7, hence the $350-360 range. I'm still keeping the AMD for now, as my price bracket limits me to it. Downgrading an 8 core to a 4 doesn't seem right. And I'm already running a 4 core AMD, and it's running BF4 just fine.
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post #1264 of 1593
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There is not a game on this planet an fx-8350 can not run well in stock form - maybe not as good as higher end intel's but good nonetheless.

.

and once again you ignore longevity. the point is, as games become more demanding, CPU demand rises. And AMD system will see future games drop below 30 and 60fps well before Intel systems, with the same GPU.

That's more performance for your money in the long run, longer time between upgrades, money saved on less power usage, money saved on lower wattage PSU's, money saved on motherboards. So while 160fps vs 115fps may not matter soo much today......40fps vs 60fps and 20fps vs 30fps is going to make quite a difference.

I personally consider anything below 60fps unplayable, except in some single player games.
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post #1265 of 1593
so seriously what should I do? I have a 1000W PSU, I also have a 750W PSU. I'm thinking that a bit of money on Intel's quad seems about right, and it'll save money on energy. OC that quad, and it'll last how long? my AMD setup lasted me over 4 years, and it's still going, popped the 7950 right in and I'm playing BF4 @ 30-40 fps lol. I'm just trying to balance power, budget and energy efficiency.
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I really dont think thats a good benchmark for pushing your angle. It shows me that overclocked AMD is competitive with Intel at stock.

I enjoy AMD for its much cheaper pcie lanes if I desired to build a GPU farm for F@H

While i admit you can get an 8350 and in some cases an 8320 up to a 9590's speed they are still not the same.

Minor difference but the 8xxx series doesn't support FMA3 and ABM.

they aren't the same chip.......similar, but not the same.
 
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Since you're in Canda, I'm using Newegg.ca prices:

Intel 4670K: $254
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899

AsRock Z87 Pro4: $84.99 after rebate + coupon code
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157381

Unlike with AMD, you don't need a high-end motherboard with upgraded VRMs. The Z87 Pro4 will easy take a 4670K well past 4 GHz. Also, no need for a fancy cooler like you'd need to OC a FX-8350. A Hyper 212 Evo is more than sufficient for a Haswell chip.

4Ghz is stock VID man - the bar is 4.5Ghz or above. Nothing less on OCN is acceptable tongue.gif
But for djkomrad's benefit - if you are intending to keep the 8350, it is critical you clock it as high as you can so you aren't leaving FPS on the table.

This is assuming you bought a quality board that will allow you to hit those clocks in the first place, what did you buy?

Also looking through your past posts, it concerns me that your 965 was left at stock. I was expecting a fully OCed Deneb ~4Ghz, and an OCed CPU-NB as well tongue.gif

If you are not comfortable overclocking, then I would reconsider your options. Piledrivers need to be overclocked to match stock Intel chips, so if you are not overclocking, yeah - it concerns me.
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so seriously what should I do? I have a 1000W PSU, I also have a 750W PSU. I'm thinking that a bit of money on Intel's quad seems about right, and it'll save money on energy. OC that quad, and it'll last how long? my AMD setup lasted me over 4 years, and it's still going, popped the 7950 right in and I'm playing BF4 @ 30-40 fps lol. I'm just trying to balance power, budget and energy efficiency.

Let's put it this way:

I got my 2700K 3 years ago and it's faster than anything AMD has today.

If you bought a FX when it came out about 2.5 years ago, you would not be able to say the same thing.

So, buy a 4670K or 4770K today, and it'll likely last you a good 3-4 years, if not more. Buy a FX chip today, and 3-4 years later it'll be as obsolete as a Core 2 Duo is today.


Not to mention the power savings of an Intel setup over 3-4 years compared to an AMD setup. Not only is the AMD chip slower than Intel, but it also consumes more power. The fact that it's slower than an Intel chip means the AMD chip will stay at max load for a longer period of time in order to complete a specific task, and draw even more power compared to the Intel chip.

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so seriously what should I do? I have a 1000W PSU, I also have a 750W PSU. I'm thinking that a bit of money on Intel's quad seems about right, and it'll save money on energy. OC that quad, and it'll last how long? my AMD setup lasted me over 4 years, and it's still going, popped the 7950 right in and I'm playing BF4 @ 30-40 fps lol. I'm just trying to balance power, budget and energy efficiency.

Quick and easy route is an i5-4670k.....or you could wait for Haswell-E and go that.

Me personally i love my 8350, It's does everything i want it to do at a level that i'm happy with.
 
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Let's put it this way:

I got my 2700K 3 years ago and it's faster than anything AMD has today.

If you bought a FX when it came out about 2.5 years ago, you would not be able to say the same thing.

So, buy a 4670K or 4770K today, and it'll likely last you a good 3-4 years, if not more. Buy a FX chip today, and 3-4 years later it'll be as obsolete as a Core 2 Duo is today.

just curious here, Why didn't you upgrade your 2700k?

Me personally i upgrade every 2 years or so and i consider AMD, Nvidia and Intel, Price does come into it, so for GPU's AMD usually wins.

CPU's are always tricky though, it's a very personal decision, i went with an 8350 because i very rarely play RTS games and i can't seem to fault it when gaming online in the 64 player servers that supposedly cripple it.
 
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Corsair AX1200i Thermaltake Core X9 Logitech G502 Star Citizen Drake Goliath 
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Logitech G933 
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Ryzen 5 1600 MSI X370 Xpower Gaming Titanium  RX580 Red Devil 16GB Corsair Vengeance LED 
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Samsung 960 Evo OCZ Trion 150 Fractal Design Kelvin S36 Win 10 Pro 
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Nixeus NX-VUE24A Thermaltake Poseidon Z RGB Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB 750w Thermaltake View 31 RGB 
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Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum 
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FX-8370 Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z R9 290x 16GB G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz 
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Samsung 840 Evo 250GB Samsung External Blu-Ray Burner Fractal Design Kelvin S36 Windows 10 
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Whatever Logitech G19 Silverstone ST1200w CM Storm Trooper 
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Logitech G502 Star Citizen Drake Goliath Logitech X530 5.1 Logitech G930 7.1 Wireless Headset 
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