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I got the sabertooth r2. so I have liquid cooling, I can OC the chip to maybe 5 GHz or more or I can return the chip, get quad intel, leave it stock and it would outdo or match the OCed AMD. sounds like Intel is the winner, then add the fact I have liquid cooling, OC the Intel to maybe 4 GHz or more and it'll deffo outdo the AMD. sounds like I'm going back to the store tomorrow!
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post #1272 of 1593
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Let's put it this way:

I got my 2700K 3 years ago and it's faster than anything AMD has today.

If you bought a FX when it came out about 2.5 years ago, you would not be able to say the same thing.

So, buy a 4670K or 4770K today, and it'll likely last you a good 3-4 years, if not more. Buy a FX chip today, and 3-4 years later it'll be as obsolete as a Core 2 Duo is today.

just curious here, Why didn't you upgrade your 2700k?

Me personally i upgrade every 2 years or so and i consider AMD, Nvidia and Intel, Price does come into it, so for GPU's AMD usually wins.

CPU's are always tricky though, it's a very personal decision, i went with an 8350 because i very rarely play RTS games and i can't seem to fault it when gaming online in the 64 player servers that supposedly cripple it.

Because my 2700K has been running at 5 GHz @ 1.38V on air since I got it. At those clocks, it's considerably faster than anything from AMD. I do a lot of work in Photoshop and Lightroom so CPU performance is important.

Sure, Ivy and Haswell are faster, but my 2700K is a bit of a "golden" chip in terms of overclocking and I doubt I'd have the same kind of luck with overclocking if I upgraded to Haswell.

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I got the sabertooth r2. so I have liquid cooling, I can OC the chip to maybe 5 GHz or more or I can return the chip, get quad intel, leave it stock and it would outdo or match the OCed AMD. sounds like Intel is the winner, then add the fact I have liquid cooling, OC the Intel to maybe 4 GHz or more and it'll deffo outdo the AMD. sounds like I'm going back to the store tomorrow!

If you have liquid cooling, you can easily get 4.5 GHz + out of a 4670K or 4770K.
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post #1273 of 1593
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I can't see anyone patching games for Mantle support (or if it's possible) so only new releases will get Mantle support.

But if all you plan on playing is current gen games for the next couple of years then sure, go Intel but that doesn't mean that AMD isn't viable for them either.

It'll run anything, it just makes no sense at all from an absolute performance -or- a value perspective to take an 8320 over a 4670k if you are more than loosely invested in cpu bound games in general (mmo/rts, stuff like ps2) as it's not the norm right now to have anything better than dx11 and it does not seem like it will be the norm until 2015+ (as we're a couple quarters from end of 2014 and i can't name any rts/mmo to be released with better?)
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I got the sabertooth r2. so I have liquid cooling, I can OC the chip to maybe 5 GHz or more or I can return the chip, get quad intel, leave it stock and it would outdo or match the OCed AMD. sounds like Intel is the winner, then add the fact I have liquid cooling, OC the Intel to maybe 4 GHz or more and it'll deffo outdo the AMD. sounds like I'm going back to the store tomorrow!

4.8Ghz would probably be your limit on a CLC and yes you should be able to clock the 4670k at 4.4 or more (not familiar with haswell's average oc)
 
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While i admit you can get an 8350 and in some cases an 8320 up to a 9590's speed they are still not the same.

Minor difference but the 8xxx series doesn't support FMA3 and ABM.

they aren't the same chip.......similar, but not the same.

Still doesnt spell much for AMD in regards to OP.
    
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Because my 2700K has been running at 5 GHz @ 1.38V on air since I got it. At those clocks, it's considerably faster than anything from AMD. I do a lot of work in Photoshop and Lightroom so CPU performance is important.

Sure, Ivy and Haswell are faster, but my 2700K is a bit of a "golden" chip in terms of overclocking and I doubt I'd have the same kind of luck with overclocking if I upgraded to Haswell.
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Thats a very good chip you have there. I was more curious why you didn't upgrade the Ivy or Haswell more than AMD.

As has been said many many many many times in this thread, no-one is saying that AMD is faster than Intel but more that AMD is still viable as an option rather than just flat out saying "Doesn't beat Intel so it's not viable"
 
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Still doesnt spell much for AMD in regards to OP.

I think thats the main problem with this thread really.

there is no baseline for a Mid or High range rig.

It's just pointless arguing for the most part with some truth sprinkled in between tongue.gif
 
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if I do go for Intel, ASUS will be my mobo choice, what should I get? also right now I will test the FX first, OC it as high as I can, switch to Intel will be $400 or so, it's not the end of the world. would a 750W PSU be fine for Intel's quad and the 7950?

Edit* going offline, gonna plug the sabertooth and the fx in, OC see what happens, see you all in a few hours
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if I do go for Intel, ASUS will be my mobo choice, what should I get? also right now I will test the FX first, OC it as high as I can, switch to Intel will be $400 or so, it's not the end of the world. would a 750W PSU be fine for Intel's quad and the 7950?

750w will be fine, go here if you need some help with the FX: http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/0_40
 
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if I do go for Intel, ASUS will be my mobo choice, what should I get? also right now I will test the FX first, OC it as high as I can, switch to Intel will be $400 or so, it's not the end of the world. would a 750W PSU be fine for Intel's quad and the 7950?

why would you get over a good 450w?

It's difficult to come close to maxing out a 450w unit with an intel quad and any gpu current gen sub-290/780, like you'd have to run crazy like 1.45v on 4770k max volts on a 7950 for it to even be a consideration
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