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power consumption can adjust overall extra costs. a system with a 400w PSU is going to be cheaper than a system with a 700w PSU. A motherboard for an 80w CPU is generally going to be cheaper than one for a 140w-220w CPU. You could overclock more on stock heatsinks. You could overclock more with liquid cooling. You could use one single liquid cooling system for both CPU and GPU, cheaper than what it would be otherwise.
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post #1302 of 1593
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Originally Posted by AMDATI View Post

power consumption can adjust overall extra costs. a system with a 400w PSU is going to be cheaper than a system with a 700w PSU. A motherboard for an 80w CPU is generally going to be cheaper than one for a 140w-220w CPU. You could overclock more on stock heatsinks. You could overclock more with liquid cooling. You could use one single liquid cooling system for both CPU and GPU, cheaper than what it would be otherwise.
still Wrong. PSU costs for any mid high end system will likely use the same watt PSU. But in the case you are speaking about all then you bring back the Kaveri and this same argument you are using now can apply to it as well. As far as the MoBo, YOU ARE VERY WRONG. Price has little to do with the TDP and more to do with the features the MoBo has.
post #1303 of 1593
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power consumption can adjust overall extra costs. a system with a 400w PSU is going to be cheaper than a system with a 700w PSU. A motherboard for an 80w CPU is generally going to be cheaper than one for a 140w-220w CPU. You could overclock more on stock heatsinks. You could overclock more with liquid cooling. You could use one single liquid cooling system for both CPU and GPU, cheaper than what it would be otherwise.

If you are building a Hex Core Intel rig with a 290x/780ti, you'd be an idiot to run a 400w, I don't care how good it is. First off, what's the point of being on the edge with such powerful/expensive hardware and secondly, why cheap out when you dropped about $1,000 on the cpu and gpu alone..
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post #1304 of 1593
People are forgetting that in addition to being a more power-hungry processor, a FX chip is also slower compared to an Intel chip, meaning that it will take longer to complete a task.

So, higher power consumption * longer duration =

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It's like comparing a car which used 1 gallon of duel per hour doing 80 mph (Intel) vs. a car which used 2 gallons of fuel per hour doing 60 mph (AMD)
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post #1305 of 1593
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People are forgetting that in addition to being a more power-hungry processor, a FX chip is also slower compared to an Intel chip, meaning that it will take longer to complete a task.

So, higher power consumption * longer duration =

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It's like comparing a car which used 1 gallon of duel per hour doing 80 mph (Intel) vs. a car which used 2 gallons of fuel per hour doing 60 mph (AMD)

Yeah, and one of those cars is a lot more fun to drive than the other. Intel is like automatic transmission and AMD is like manual.

But regardless, we're talking about sports cars here. If you are genuinely concerned about power consumption, you would have a small netbook and a console as those draw the least amount of power. It drives me nuts when enthusiasts bring up power consumption. Going back to your car analogy, it's like a bunch of people with really fast cars getting together and then going "HAHAH I BEAT YOU A QUARTER MILE DRAG RACE BY .056 SECONDS AND USE LESS GAS!"

They're both fast and more than enough for what people need.
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post #1306 of 1593
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Yeah, and one of those cars is a lot more fun to drive than the other. Intel is like automatic transmission and AMD is like manual.

But regardless, we're talking about sports cars here. If you are genuinely concerned about power consumption, you would have a small netbook and a console as those draw the least amount of power. It drives me nuts when enthusiasts bring up power consumption. Going back to your car analogy, it's like a bunch of people with really fast cars getting together and then going "HAHAH I BEAT YOU A QUARTER MILE DRAG RACE BY .056 SECONDS AND USE LESS GAS!"

They're both fast and more than enough for what people need.
but it is all the ignorant and ill-informed have to spew over and over again. I am guessing they have issues with us owning FX processors and are envious that we enjoy them so much.
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Yeah, and one of those cars is a lot more fun to drive than the other. Intel is like automatic transmission and AMD is like manual.

Once again you're acting like it's 2011. Intel isn't stuck on Sandy Bridge. Haswell is still more complicated and intricate to OC with more meaningful options than Vishera. Welcome to 2014 (or 2013 really).

Might as well claim that AMD OCing is still exactly what phenom I OCing was.
 
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Agreed.

There a more than a few of us that have overclocked AMD chips in the past that are currently using Intel.
Heck, I would wager a majority of Core2 users came directly from A64. AMD gouged us as long as they could with the ridiculous X2 prices Some perspective and history of the industry goes a long way in understanding why people went Intel in the first place tongue.gif This is what makes me laugh when people talk about Intel being 'so expensive' - AMD dual cores were exorbitantly expensive at the peak of the A64. So much that users were forced to tray procs (all hail trays lol).

I don't remember once an argument being made that Intel was 'too easy' or not sporting, or whatever other analogy you want to introduce. Core2 frankly, was fun to overclock. Key word is fun. It was cheaper than AMD and better performing to boot. Overclocking is all about experience, diligence, and building of knowledge. More experience is always better. And frankly, if you are denying yourself of building the breadth of your experience because of sheer allegiance, you are doing yourself a disservice.
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Once again you're acting like it's 2011. Intel isn't stuck on Sandy Bridge. Haswell is still more complicated and intricate to OC with more meaningful options than Vishera. Welcome to 2014 (or 2013 really).

Might as well claim that AMD OCing is still exactly what phenom I OCing was.
and did you take note of the processors of each poster in question? Gonna guess not.
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Agreed.

There a more than a few of us that have overclocked AMD chips in the past that are currently using Intel.
Heck, I would wager a majority of Core2 users came directly from A64. AMD gouged us as long as they could with the ridiculous X2 prices Some perspective and history of the industry goes a long way in understanding why people went Intel in the first place tongue.gif This is what makes me laugh when people talk about Intel being 'so expensive' - AMD dual cores were exorbitantly expensive at the peak of the A64. So much that users were forced to tray procs (all hail trays lol).

I don't remember once an argument being made that Intel was 'too easy' or not sporting, or whatever other analogy you want to introduce. Core2 frankly, was fun to overclock. Key word is fun. It was cheaper than AMD and better performing to boot. Overclocking is all about experience, diligence, and building of knowledge. More experience is always better. And frankly, if you are denying yourself of building the breadth of your experience because of sheer allegiance, you are doing yourself a disservice.
Disagreed.
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