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I think you can also pick an amd cooler for 35£!?

Yea you can, i'd just consider for an equal OC on a 8320 (such as ~4.8ghz) you'd want a bit more punch - i'd definately pay the £15 to go from a hr-02 macho to a Silver Arrow for a higher power draw CPU


The problem with such discussion is that they go on for so long that most of the people in the thread have not read 90% of the thread, so you enter a loop of re-discussing things over and over and over again
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post #1342 of 1593
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Yea you can, i'd just consider for an equal OC on a 8320 (such as ~4.8ghz) you'd want a bit more punch - i'd definately pay the £15 to go from a hr-02 macho to a Silver Arrow for a higher power draw CPU


The problem with such discussion is that they go on for so long that most of the people in the thread have not read 90% of the thread, so you enter a loop of re-discussing things over and over and over again
The Thermalright Silverarrow must be cheaper there,the NH-D14 is actually cheaper in the US,if it still compares against other large tower coolers.
http://www.amazon.com/Noctua-Heatpipe-Bearing-Cooler-NH-D14/dp/B002VKVZ1A/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1396733862&sr=1-1&keywords=nh-d14
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The Thermalright Silverarrow must be cheaper there,the NH-D14 is actually cheaper in the US,if it still compares against other large tower coolers.
http://www.amazon.com/Noctua-Heatpipe-Bearing-Cooler-NH-D14/dp/B002VKVZ1A/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1396733862&sr=1-1&keywords=nh-d14

Yea, it often is. Thermalright is eu, hr-02 macho and silver arrow
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post #1344 of 1593
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what's ok-ish?

I shouldn't have to repeat it that much, Intel is faster but AMD is still a viable choice.

Thats pretty much end of the thread there.

If an intel build (£95 board, £165 4670k, £35 cooler, £220 GPU) runs a game 1.3x faster under bad conditions than an AMD build (cost of board to achieve 4.8ghz oc, £110 for 8320, £220 gpu)

then i wouldn't consider the 8320 as a choice, as it's too much of a performance difference

4770k hardly competes with anything for value but you can max OC a 4670k using a £35 air cooler and £95 board. It's hard to compete with that unless you're talking only about well threaded tasks

That's the reality for stuff like RTS/MMO players as well as some niche other games like Planetside 2 - it's not much of a cost saving and it's hardly on the menu, if it's there, for those people. For a mid range build made to play these types of things, it is -not- viable - for other things, maybe it is.

I played planetside 2 a couple weeks ago, all settings on high with smoothing and vsync off, 8350/7970 averaged over 100 fps according to fraps. No playability problems whatsoever.
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My 8320 serves me well with 2x 290 trix, i'm going to get a 4790k and see if all this bashing about AMD is true but if it is like 10 fps improvement i'll curse you damn intel fanboys biggrin.gif
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That's a big "if". The majority of workloads will expose the weakness of the FX architecture. The only ones which don't are either heavily threaded integer-heavy apps like 7-Zip or completely GPU-bound games (e.g. testing at 2560x1440 with max AA/details/tessellation).

Actually, even in the 7-Zip benchmark (which offers pretty much a best-case scenario for AMD), a FX chip still will lose to an Intel chip at the same clocks.

Yhea I pointed that out earlier.

8320

rendering? yes on amount of threads....nope on amount of FPU's. rendering is an FPU heavy task, so all of that integer is just a bottleneck to the floating point calculations, making it horrible for CAD.

the FX is built like a server processor. many weak threads for running many small things, but not particularly excelling at big things.

So all it's really good at is running many general apps at once like photoshop, firefox, utorrent, virus scanners, firewalls, etc. The problem is, these things can often run pretty well on old hardware anyways though.

AMD has no plans for anymore 8 core chips. it's all quad cores and APU's from here on out. the only place you will find AMD 8+ core CPU's is with opterons, and those are even more expensive and under performing than Xeons, by a large margin. And much of the software world is simply not ready to create 16 thread programs.

By the time games support 8 threads, all the AMD 8 core CPU's will be obsolete in performance. They'll be like Phenom X2 in a quad core world.
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post #1347 of 1593
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My 8320 serves me well with 2x 290 trix, i'm going to get a 4790k and see if all this bashing about AMD is true but if it is like 10 fps improvement i'll curse you damn intel fanboys biggrin.gif
That would highly depend on the game in question.
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My 8320 serves me well with 2x 290 trix, i'm going to get a 4790k and see if all this bashing about AMD is true but if it is like 10 fps improvement i'll curse you damn intel fanboys biggrin.gif
That would highly depend on the game in question.

I would be surprised if he didn't get at least 10 fps improvement in most games, especially considering he has two R9 290s. Only the most GPU-limited games won't show an improvement going from a 8320 to a 4770K with 2x R9 290s. I don't even think the AMD crowd will debate that.
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I played planetside 2 a couple weeks ago, all settings on high with smoothing and vsync off, 8350/7970 averaged over 100 fps according to fraps. No playability problems whatsoever.

But intel runs 100 vs 100 fights like 40% better. If you're avoiding those in MMOFPS, it runs quite well these days - probably better out of games listed
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In the end, one thing is true: due to longevity alone, you will spend less on intel cpu's in a lifetime, than you would on amd cpu's......and have more performance too. Now no not all of intel cpu's are worthwhile, some are just crippled versions that cost almost as much, but when you can get 4770K performance for $230, that well outweighs in price to performance ratio against the 8xxx.
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