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I unno, I got my 8xxx as you say, to 4.5 ghz @ 1.313 Vcore. 47C full load. I'll keep going, all the way to 1.4 Vcore. Upping the 7xxx clocks helps the cpu out as well. Had one crash on BF4, that's it still stable hours after. Going to furmark for an hour, then OC some more!
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post #1362 of 1593
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30% is exactly 100$ less.
$100 is a big deal for a mid-end build,with a $100 extra you can get the next best GPU or more ram,even a SSD (huge upgrade for the first time builder that never had a SSD).
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Please show me how a fx8350 system with the same ram and equivalent mobo is 100 cheaper than a i5 4670k system. Link to newegg please.
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post #1364 of 1593
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$100 is a big deal for a mid-end build,with a $100 extra you can get the next best GPU or more ram,even a SSD (huge upgrade for the first time builder that never had a SSD). Inb4 some Intel fanboy person says buying Intel costs "less".

Intel costs less wink.gif
post #1365 of 1593
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He said i7 4770k performance which in this context is a i5 4670k because it cost 230. These two perform almost exactly the same in most games. And amd build is hardly 20-30% cheaper, not in terms of making a mid end build. An equivalent intel i5 system and a fx 8350 will differ like 30 dollars, as I have proven making two systems with the same ram and typ of mobo. Some might then say "but get a 8320 and OC it". Well then you save 50 dollars and in that case you can might as well take a i5 non "K" version. Both the non K i5 and 8320 are lower grade chips that OC less. Also when you build a mid end gaming system, who think about beeing "cheap". I mean 20-30% is very little if you spend 300-350 on mobo, ram and cpu.

Yeah, but the problem is you're assuming that everyone just buys their computers for gaming. If you actually are a grown up and do work on your computer, and that work loves to be multi-threaded, an FX 8320 or 8350 makes a lot of sense over a 4670k.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-8.html

At that point, it's a no brainer. Some of us are grown ups who use their computers for more than just playing games, and if you're that type of person, an FX makes a lot more sense.

Also, in regards to overclocking, I've noticed in my time that every Intel I have ever owned has had a brick wall of frequency where it just takes massive voltage to move forward. Every one I've ever owned and overclocked has been something along the lines of if I run Prime95 or something for 30 minutes and get an error, I will freeze. AMDs, from my experience, love abuse and will gladly chug along when it's having problems without bringing the whole system down. I Have to work very, very hard to get my FX to hard lock and on my i7 920 the difference between booting into Windows and not getting past the booting screen was like 5mhz and a ton of voltage.

I don't understand how you think Haswell is more fun to overclock. So they added some voltage settings and added straps to base clock? You are aware that most AMD boards have huge bus speed ranges that can be adjusted in 1mhz increments, right? How is like 3 strap settings better than hundreds of options when it comes to making something challenging? And then you have threads of Haswell/IB where people just hit brick walls and can't get any more out of the chips. And to make matters worse, since you can't bus overclock, you can't even fine tune your OC with Intel anymore. You basically get to the closest 100mhz increment and walk away.

Unless you want to delid and pump a lot of voltage through the chip, but I've seen quite a lot of people here do that, brag like crazy for a year and hate on AMD, then suddenly stop talking and sell off all their gear. Gee, I wonder why!
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post #1366 of 1593
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30% is exactly 100$ less.

If $100 is 30%.. then your entire computer must cost under $400 total.
If your entire computer is costing $400, you likely won't be choosing a $200 CPU.

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post #1367 of 1593
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30% is exactly 100$ less.
$100 is a big deal for a mid-end build,with a $100 extra you can get the next best GPU or more ram,even a SSD (huge upgrade for the first time builder that never had a SSD). Inb4 some Intel fanboy person says buying Intel costs "less".

How does an AMD FX system cost less after you factor in the cost of the H100i cooler?

I mean, unless you want to set your house on fire, then by all means, try to OC a FX on the stock heatsink.
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I did an experiment this week, I used nothing but my 3770K rig with my 7970 in it for everyday use. I spent most of the time at 4.5 ghz but tried everything from stock to 4.7ghz.

The result, I'm TIRED, I mean I feel like I've been running a marathon in overshoes. It's so much less nimble than my 8350 it's maddening. The usb wonkyness is awful, I've yet to make the sleep function actually work( hangs on restart), and while it produces comparable fps in the games I play, it's not nearly as smooth.

I tried to be objective, I gave it nearly a week, but I can't stand it any longer, the FX is back on my desk. The I 7 is... benched.
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Yes I dont consider a mid range system in this context is for gaming because if you would build a workstation you would balance the system far differant than 90% of all systems present here. A mind range work system might be another thing and in that case a fx cpu might very well be a better choice than a i5 of any kind. In that case you can spend more on the multicore cpu and less on the gpu and other "gamer stuff".

Or if you want a proper workstation/gaming system then I wouldnt even consider AMD because your budget would be great enough to run freaking intel x79. Buying amd is like buying 1600mhz ram instead of 2000mhz because it cost 10 dollars less but performs "almost" the same.
Edited by PachAz - 4/5/14 at 6:09pm
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@cssork: Can't tell if that's satire, or you're actually serious.
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