Originally Posted by PachAz
He said i7 4770k performance which in this context is a i5 4670k because it cost 230. These two perform almost exactly the same in most games. And amd build is hardly 20-30% cheaper, not in terms of making a mid end build. An equivalent intel i5 system and a fx 8350 will differ like 30 dollars, as I have proven making two systems with the same ram and typ of mobo. Some might then say "but get a 8320 and OC it". Well then you save 50 dollars and in that case you can might as well take a i5 non "K" version. Both the non K i5 and 8320 are lower grade chips that OC less. Also when you build a mid end gaming system, who think about beeing "cheap". I mean 20-30% is very little if you spend 300-350 on mobo, ram and cpu.
Yeah, but the problem is you're assuming that everyone just buys their computers for gaming. If you actually are a grown up and do work on your computer, and that work loves to be multi-threaded, an FX 8320 or 8350 makes a lot of sense over a 4670k.
At that point, it's a no brainer. Some of us are grown ups who use their computers for more than just playing games, and if you're that type of person, an FX makes a lot more sense.
Also, in regards to overclocking, I've noticed in my time that every Intel I have ever owned has had a brick wall of frequency where it just takes massive voltage to move forward. Every one I've ever owned and overclocked has been something along the lines of if I run Prime95 or something for 30 minutes and get an error, I will freeze. AMDs, from my experience, love abuse and will gladly chug along when it's having problems without bringing the whole system down. I Have to work very, very hard to get my FX to hard lock and on my i7 920 the difference between booting into Windows and not getting past the booting screen was like 5mhz and a ton of voltage.
I don't understand how you think Haswell is more fun to overclock. So they added some voltage settings and added straps to base clock? You are aware that most AMD boards have huge bus speed ranges that can be adjusted in 1mhz increments, right? How is like 3 strap settings better than hundreds of options when it comes to making something challenging? And then you have threads of Haswell/IB where people just hit brick walls and can't get any more out of the chips. And to make matters worse, since you can't bus overclock, you can't even fine tune your OC with Intel anymore. You basically get to the closest 100mhz increment and walk away.
Unless you want to delid and pump a lot of voltage through the chip, but I've seen quite a lot of people here do that, brag like crazy for a year and hate on AMD, then suddenly stop talking and sell off all their gear. Gee, I wonder why!