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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

I did an experiment this week, I used nothing but my 3770K rig with my 7970 in it for everyday use. I spent most of the time at 4.5 ghz but tried everything from stock to 4.7ghz.

The result, I'm TIRED, I mean I feel like I've been running a marathon in overshoes. It's so much less nimble than my 8350 it's maddening. The usb wonkyness is awful, I've yet to make the sleep function actually work( hangs on restart), and while it produces comparable fps in the games I play, it's not nearly as smooth.

I tried to be objective, I gave it nearly a week, but I can't stand it any longer, the FX is back on my desk. The I 7 is... benched.

Sounds like you either have a bad motherboard, your overclock isn't stable, or your aren't using the correct BIOS settings.

I have not had a single sleep issue with my 2700K in the last 3 years. And USB "wonkyness"? Come on, lol.

Or you're just making stuff up 100%, who knows.
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post #1373 of 1593
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@cssork: Can't tell if that's satire, or you're actually serious.

Me too

That which can be asserted with not even an attempt at proof or evidence can be dismissed without it, also.
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Now now, let cssork present empirical justification for his hypothesis.
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I did an experiment this week, I used nothing but my 3770K rig with my 7970 in it for everyday use. I spent most of the time at 4.5 ghz but tried everything from stock to 4.7ghz.

The result, I'm TIRED, I mean I feel like I've been running a marathon in overshoes. It's so much less nimble than my 8350 it's maddening. The usb wonkyness is awful, I've yet to make the sleep function actually work( hangs on restart), and while it produces comparable fps in the games I play, it's not nearly as smooth.

I tried to be objective, I gave it nearly a week, but I can't stand it any longer, the FX is back on my desk. The I 7 is... benched.

Sounds like you either have a bad motherboard, your overclock isn't stable, or your aren't using the correct BIOS settings.

I have not had a single sleep issue with my 2700K in the last 3 years. And USB "wonkyness"? Come on, lol.

Or you're just making stuff up 100%, who knows.

It's just more of the same issues I've had with 2 sandy's and this ivy on 4 different motherboards. Input lag on the usb is terribad on and its been there on each setup I've tried.
Yes, both z68 boards have the latest bio's.
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Inb4 some Intel fanboy person says buying Intel costs "less".

Fact of the matter is that you typically need a more robust motherboard and much better cooling to get the most out of a Vishera. However you can use some of the cheapest boards available, and the stock cooler, on a quad core Haswell and only loose about 5% of your clock potential from a top shelf board and good CLC.

My best AM3+ and 1155 setups are a generation old at this point, but they are decent examples:

My HTPC has a 3570k in a 60 dollar motherboard clocked at 4.2GHz with the stock cooler.

My 4.5GHz FX-8150 (about the same power consumption and cooling requirements as a 4.8GHz Vishera, give or take) has a 180 dollar motherboard (my 130 dollar 970A-UD3 was woefully insufficient as far as VRM capability was concerned) and 150 dollars of cooling on the CPU.

You could replace the 3570k with a 4670k and the FX-8150 with an FX-8350 and have the same platform and coolings costs, with similar relative performance, today.

Guess which system is cheaper and generally faster for gaming (they are both using OCed 7950s)?
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

It's just more of the same issues I've had with 2 sandy's and this ivy on 4 different motherboards. Input lag on the usb is terribad on and its been there on each setup I've tried.
Yes, both z68 boards have the latest bio's.

I assume you're using identical windows settings, including the basic theme, not aero? Aero is double buffer v-synced, which adds up to ~16.67ms of input lag on a 60hz monitor, which blows every other difference out of the water.

If there is a difference measurable by a high speed camera, i would pay to see it, then get to the bottom of why it happens.

If the difference is more than a couple of milliseconds, which is about what you would need to be able to blind-test it, then it should not be too difficult to show
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Yeah, but the problem is you're assuming that everyone just buys their computers for gaming. If you actually are a grown up and do work on your computer, and that work loves to be multi-threaded, an FX 8320 or 8350 makes a lot of sense over a 4670k.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-8.html

At that point, it's a no brainer. Some of us are grown ups who use their computers for more than just playing games, and if you're that type of person, an FX makes a lot more sense.

What does being a grown up have to do with anything?
Plenty of non-gaming tasks aren't multi-threaded.

Image Compression in my experience is one of them.
Sure, you can do bulk conversions, but if you work on an image and want to save it as a lossless PNG or something, it'll save using 100% of one core and while the saving time for small resolutions is almost unnoticeable, it gets kind of lengthy at high resolutions.

Tons of physics simulations are also single-threaded, so if you do animations that include those you'll like e a 50% single-thread performance increase.
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Yeah, but the problem is you're assuming that everyone just buys their computers for gaming. If you actually are a grown up and do work on your computer, and that work loves to be multi-threaded, an FX 8320 or 8350 makes a lot of sense over a 4670k.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-8.html

At that point, it's a no brainer. Some of us are grown ups who use their computers for more than just playing games, and if you're that type of person, an FX makes a lot more sense.

Also, in regards to overclocking, I've noticed in my time that every Intel I have ever owned has had a brick wall of frequency where it just takes massive voltage to move forward. Every one I've ever owned and overclocked has been something along the lines of if I run Prime95 or something for 30 minutes and get an error, I will freeze. AMDs, from my experience, love abuse and will gladly chug along when it's having problems without bringing the whole system down. I Have to work very, very hard to get my FX to hard lock and on my i7 920 the difference between booting into Windows and not getting past the booting screen was like 5mhz and a ton of voltage.

I don't understand how you think Haswell is more fun to overclock. So they added some voltage settings and added straps to base clock? You are aware that most AMD boards have huge bus speed ranges that can be adjusted in 1mhz increments, right? How is like 3 strap settings better than hundreds of options when it comes to making something challenging? And then you have threads of Haswell/IB where people just hit brick walls and can't get any more out of the chips. And to make matters worse, since you can't bus overclock, you can't even fine tune your OC with Intel anymore. You basically get to the closest 100mhz increment and walk away.

Unless you want to delid and pump a lot of voltage through the chip, but I've seen quite a lot of people here do that, brag like crazy for a year and hate on AMD, then suddenly stop talking and sell off all their gear. Gee, I wonder why!
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How does an AMD FX system cost less after you factor in the cost of the H100i cooler?

I mean, unless you want to set your house on fire, then by all means, try to OC a FX on the stock heatsink.
Yeah,because using the stock heatsink on a Intel for 4Ghz while hitting 80C seems feasible. rolleyes.gif
Are you aware that this is OCN? Who the heck uses a stock heatsink here?

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I did an experiment this week, I used nothing but my 3770K rig with my 7970 in it for everyday use. I spent most of the time at 4.5 ghz but tried everything from stock to 4.7ghz.

The result, I'm TIRED, I mean I feel like I've been running a marathon in overshoes. It's so much less nimble than my 8350 it's maddening. The usb wonkyness is awful, I've yet to make the sleep function actually work( hangs on restart), and while it produces comparable fps in the games I play, it's not nearly as smooth.

I tried to be objective, I gave it nearly a week, but I can't stand it any longer, the FX is back on my desk. The I 7 is... benched.
But but but it's Intel,it must be faster!
Okay,to be totally serious now,are the games you're using load up on all 8 cores? The USB issues with Intel based boards would sound horribly annoying as I makes use of plenty of USB devices too.
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Please show me how a fx8350 system with the same ram and equivalent mobo is 100 cheaper than a i5 4670k system. Link to newegg please.
You don't even need an 8350. We've been through spamming links before,every time I showed people setups,I get shown cheapened out Intel setups with Asrock motherboards and someone claiming they want to use the stock cooler.
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Cost to build a 4770K System:
  • 4770K: $340
  • Hyper 212 Evo: $30 (Unlike with a FX setup, you don't need a H100i to get a good OC out of a 4770K)
  • ASRock Z87 Pro4: $95 (Totally sufficient to get a good overclock out of a 4770K).
  • 8GB DDR3-1600: $75
  • 128GB SSD: $80
  • R9 290 $475
  • Good 650W PSU: $80

Total cost of 4770K system: $1175



Cost to build a FX-8320 system:
  • 8320: $160
  • Corsair H100i: $100 (because you're going to need it to handle the monstrous heat output from the 8320 when overclocked)
  • Asus M5A99FX Pro: $125 (this is pretty much the minimum board you're going to need to get a decent OC from a FX chip. Anything less will probably blow up.)
  • 8GB DDR3-1600: $75
  • 128GB SSD: $80
  • R9 290 $475
  • Good 650W PSU: $80

Total cost of FX-8320 system: $1095

Overall cost difference: 7%

After you factor in the cost of a case and other misc. components, the cost difference is even less than that.
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