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post #1381 of 1593
Not choosing the i7 3770k which once clocked is on pair with the i7 4770k over the fx8350 is a joke. And the i7 4770k is the best cpu for both gaming and apps for the money you spend. Period. i7 3770k is second place.
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It's just more of the same issues I've had with 2 sandy's and this ivy on 4 different motherboards. Input lag on the usb is terribad on and its been there on each setup I've tried.
Yes, both z68 boards have the latest bio's.

I assume you're using identical windows settings, including the basic theme, not aero?

If there is a difference measurable by a high speed camera, i would pay to see it, then get to the bottom of why it happense

If the difference is more than a couple of milliseconds, which is about what you would need to be able to blind-test it, then it should not be too difficult to show

Believe me , I'd love for that to be possible, it would make things easier for me that's for sure.

I dinked around with nearly everything, finally gave up on it.

You are most welcome to be happier with the Intel's but I just can't get past the things that annoy me about the way they run. Great at benchmarks, not so great for what I do most of the time.
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post #1383 of 1593
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Believe me , I'd love for that to be possible, it would make things easier for me that's for sure.

I dinked around with nearly everything, finally gave up on it.

You are most welcome to be happier with the Intel's but I just can't get past the things that annoy me about the way they run. Great at benchmarks, not so great for what I do most of the time.

"they"?

Sounds like you have some kind of significant issue with software or motherboard if you're having these kinds of problems. I can't imagine this type of thing being due to the physical chip - but mobo, OS, other software, sure.
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Believe me , I'd love for that to be possible, it would make things easier for me that's for sure.

I dinked around with nearly everything, finally gave up on it.

You are most welcome to be happier with the Intel's but I just can't get past the things that annoy me about the way they run. Great at benchmarks, not so great for what I do most of the time.

I agree with you, you should probably just stick with AMD tongue.gif The Intel gods must have something against you for you to have so many problems with your board. I have numerous friends with Sandy/Ivy/Haswell setups and not 1 person has had any of the issues you mention.

Srsly though, if you actually had all those problems and weren't just making all that up, stick with AMD. Reminds me of when I tried a 7970 back in early 2012 and the supremely buggy drivers made me switch back to Nvidia 2 weeks later.
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post #1385 of 1593
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Fact of the matter is that you typically need a more robust motherboard and much better cooling to get the most out of a Vishera. However you can use some of the cheapest boards available, and the stock cooler, on a quad core Haswell and only loose about 5% of your clock potential from a top shelf board and good CLC.

My best AM3+ and 1155 setups are a generation old at this point, but they are decent examples:

My HTPC has a 3570k in a 60 dollar motherboard clocked at 4.2GHz with the stock cooler.

My 4.5GHz FX-8150 (about the same power consumption and cooling requirements as a 4.8GHz Vishera, give or take) has a 180 dollar motherboard (my 130 dollar 970A-UD3 was woefully insufficient as far as VRM capability was concerned) and 150 dollars of cooling on the CPU.

You could replace the 3570k with a 4670k and the FX-8150 with an FX-8350 and have the same platform and coolings costs, with similar relative performance, today.

Guess which system is cheaper and generally faster for gaming (they are both using OCed 7950s)?
This thread isn't about generation old hardware,Alatar already warned us about it. Try putting a Haswell on a cheapo Asrock board and stock cooler,you'll hit a wall pretty fast. If you want the most from Haswell,or Vishera you actually have to spend money on a motherboard.
Wow,you haven't used anything since a 8150? If you actually tried a 8320/8350,you'd know it's night and day in heat output,as well as quite a bit less in power consumption.
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Cost to build a 4770K System:
  • 4770K: $340
  • Hyper 212 Evo: $30 (Unlike with a FX setup, you don't need a H100i to get a good OC out of a 4770K)
  • ASRock Z87 Pro4: $95 (Totally sufficient to get a good overclock out of a 4770K).
  • 8GB DDR3-1600: $75
  • 128GB SSD: $80
  • R9 290 $475
  • Good 650W PSU: $80

Total cost of 4770K system: $1175



Cost to build a FX-8320 system:
  • 8320: $160
  • Corsair H100i: $100 (because you're going to need it to handle the monstrous heat output from the 8320 when overclocked)
  • Asus M5A99FX Pro: $125 (this is pretty much the minimum board you're going to need to get a decent OC from a FX chip. Anything less will probably blow up.)
  • 8GB DDR3-1600: $75
  • 128GB SSD: $80
  • R9 290 $475
  • Good 650W PSU: $80

Total cost of FX-8320 system: $1095

Overall cost difference: 7%

After you factor in the cost of a case and other misc. components, the cost difference is even less than that.
Yeah "monsterous" heat output. These aren't the same as "Bulldozer". I remember a reviewer couldn't even keep a 8150 under control with it strapped to a NH-D14,Bulldozers had crazy heat output.
Sure. If all of you are going by what's in my sig,my ambients are 77F,any air cooler short of the huge NH-D14 would have trouble with that.
Asrock vs. an Asus? I'd still take the FX based system regardless due to the Asrock board that could crap out 3 months later.
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"they"?

Sounds like you have some kind of significant issue with software or motherboard if you're having these kinds of problems. I can't imagine this type of thing being due to the physical chip - but mobo, OS, other software, sure.
If he claims it felt faster in his situations,why not believe them? Because it's Intel it's supposed to be faster at everything because Intel?
Edited by Heavy MG - 4/5/14 at 6:31pm
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post #1386 of 1593
I have run my i5 3570k at 4.8ghz for almost 2 years, no issues what so ever, the clock is game and work stable. Couldnt be happier, and the good part is the outperforms all current amd cpus in both games and apps smile.gif. Not bad for a +2 years old quad core.
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post #1387 of 1593
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Yeah "monsterous" heat output. Sure. If all of you are going by what's in my sig,my ambients are 77F,any air cooler short of the huge NH-D14 would have trouble with that.

Your sig says your FX-8320 is only running at 4 GHz. That's barely overclocked.

To get any kind of a decent OC out a FX-8320, you need something like a H100i. And by "decent", I mean > 4.6 GHz.

And FX needs every last MHz it can get in order to even try to compete with a 4770K. So, yes, you do need a H100i on a FX rig.
Edited by 996gt2 - 4/5/14 at 6:32pm
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Try putting a Haswell on a cheapo Asrock board and stock cooler,you'll hit a wall pretty fast. If you want the most from Haswell,or Vishera you actually have to spend money on a motherboard.

£95 for d3h - same vrm as z87x-oc - no problem running volts that will degrade the cpu, while board is cool and stable

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If he claims it felt faster in his situations,why not believe them? Because it's Intel it's supposed to be faster at everything because Intel?

Because it is right now ludicrous to suggest that a physical CPU can cause such issues, it's unheard of. Bios stuff, OS, motherboard etc causes this kind of stuff all of the time, however
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Believe me , I'd love for that to be possible, it would make things easier for me that's for sure.

I dinked around with nearly everything, finally gave up on it.

You are most welcome to be happier with the Intel's but I just can't get past the things that annoy me about the way they run. Great at benchmarks, not so great for what I do most of the time.

I agree with you, you should probably just stick with AMD tongue.gif The Intel gods must have something against you for you to have so many problems with your board. I have numerous friends with Sandy/Ivy/Haswell setups and not 1 person has had any of the issues you mention.

Srsly though, if you actually had all those problems and weren't just making all that up, stick with AMD. Reminds me of when I tried a 7970 back in early 2012 and the supremely buggy drivers made me switch back to Nvidia 2 weeks later.

You aren't paying attention, the issues that I have with them have been there across 4 motherboards, Asrock p67 pro3,MSI p67 G 65, Evga Z68ftw and now MSI Z68 GD-80. 2500k, 2600k, and 3770k chips. Identical ram being used in the latest comparison, though I couldn't clock it on the Intel rig to what I can on the FX.
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Cost to build a 4770K System:
  • 4770K: $340
  • Hyper 212 Evo: $30 (Unlike with a FX setup, you don't need a H100i to get a good OC out of a 4770K)
  • ASRock Z87 Pro4: $95 (Totally sufficient to get a good overclock out of a 4770K).
  • 8GB DDR3-1600: $75
  • 128GB SSD: $80
  • R9 290 $475
  • Good 650W PSU: $80

Total cost of 4770K system: $1175



Cost to build a FX-8320 system:
  • 8320: $160
  • Corsair H100i: $100 (because you're going to need it to handle the monstrous heat output from the 8320 when overclocked)
  • Asus M5A99FX Pro: $125 (this is pretty much the minimum board you're going to need to get a decent OC from a FX chip. Anything less will probably blow up.)
  • 8GB DDR3-1600: $75
  • 128GB SSD: $80
  • R9 290 $475
  • Good 650W PSU: $80

Total cost of FX-8320 system: $1095

Overall cost difference: 7%

After you factor in the cost of a case and other misc. components, the cost difference is even less than that.
The Corsair 100i needs also an internal usb header. Not sure if the Asrock can handle that?
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