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The FX 9xxx series isn't just a "binned and rebadged" 8xxx you get several new instruction sets that 8xxx does not have. .

Never heard that before what new instruction sets?
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post #1412 of 1593
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It is the end result. Like a car running the quarter mile at the local drag strip. The cost of it getting a 120mph quarter doesn't change its speed. Nor does what the other car did. It is the time it needs to reach to qualify that matters. And here thanks to Sgt Bilko we have proof that AMD can be a mid-to-high end system. I feel even with my 7870 equivalent cards I am high-mid end.

Unless an AWD subrau can do that 10.5@120

and the civic does it in 11.0@120 and cant' drive on the street in that form

wink.gif

Then all the civic boys will start whining about price again!

And hence why most except true brand enthusiast end up moving on from their civics(AMD) to something nice.

*edit.. and this is why car comparisons work and don't work at the same time.
post #1413 of 1593
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people only buy more expensive motherboards because they give better overclocking results.....but when cheap motherboards perform just as well, there's really no need to go more expensive unless you're looking for specific features like crossfire, which can be had in cheap boards nowadays too. I've used both a $100 gigabyte ultra durable 3 with the extra copper layer, and I've used a cheapo $40 foxconn board, both with the same AMD CPU. The difference in temps in the same case is pretty much non existent (which means all that extra copper does jack squat but making your PC a lighting rod). But the foxconn board only overclocks 60% as much, and needs more voltage.

Another issue with overclocking, especially in AMD processors, is wattage. You're not overclocking an 8320 much on a 125w board. It takes 220w just for the 9XXX to reach its clock rate, and it's just a better binned re badged 8XXX. So you're definitely not reaching 9XXX levels without the appropriate motherboard, even if you've got the appropriate cooling.

With overclocking, it always goes like this; buy a 95w processor.....get a 125w board.

And in the grand scheme of things, all that extra wattage you have to pump into FX just to get an extra miniscule amount of performance, just isn't worth the trouble and cost.
My board and well most are 125W boards. All equally capable and verified to be able to handle the 9590 as well. Cssorkinman has a 9370 at 5.6 or 5.7 albeit that might be max, seems I remember him saying 5.4 daily (hard to keep up he has a few boards and Vishera chips). All on 125W boards. When I get a 240/360 rad setup I plan to be over 5.0Ghz being I am at 4.74Ghz (as high as 4.84 but reinstalled win7 and redoing OCs for full stability) on a H55 120mm rad.
post #1414 of 1593
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The FX 9xxx series isn't just a "binned and rebadged" 8xxx you get several new instruction sets that 8xxx does not have.
Actually it is exactly the same as the 8350/8320 as far as architecture and instruction sets. They are just better binned in general and guaranteed stable at their clocks. I think even Kaveri which is steamroller has nothing new in the instruction sets, just architecture improvements.
post #1415 of 1593
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But $230 for a 4770k isn't realistic at all. An Amd build is always 20%-30% cheaper.

don't speak so absolutely. my 4770k was $200 and my UD4H was $75. $275+ tax for both. that's brand new from a store. my 2500k was $150 new at the same store and I got my Z68 mb free (my bro traded a cheapo laptop for it). before that I spent $225 on a 1090T and $200 on a CHIV Formula there. Intel's been considerably cheaper for me. this same store has FX 8350/UD3 for $265 (although the Sabertooth 990FX, UD5 or CHV Z are more comparable to my board) but at a savings of $10 upfront I still wouldn't go that route.
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post #1416 of 1593
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Well if anything You guys and possibly some gals should be thanking Sgt Bilko for his input and time to usher a few bench results to you for your perusal. If anything he is showing that AMD can offer Highend end results and is capable of pushing dual 290s. And that brings up the point of discussion: Is AMD viable for mid-to-high end? And as a number of us have said: YES.

Price - has nothing to do with it.

Power Usage - has nothing to do with it.

Heat Output - has nothing to do with it.

Intel - yeah that's right: Has Nothing To Do With It.

It is the end result. Like a car running the quarter mile at the local drag strip. The cost of it getting a 120mph quarter doesn't change its speed. Nor does what the other car did. It is the time it needs to reach to qualify that matters. And here thanks to Sgt Bilko we have proof that AMD can be a mid-to-high end system. I feel even with my 7870 equivalent cards I am high-mid end.

Thanks Durq, smile.gif

I would like to see some more results from members though, arguing about this in theory is just going full circle.
 
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post #1417 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

Well if anything You guys and possibly some gals should be thanking Sgt Bilko for his input and time to usher a few bench results to you for your perusal. If anything he is showing that AMD can offer Highend end results and is capable of pushing dual 290s. And that brings up the point of discussion: Is AMD viable for mid-to-high end? And as a number of us have said: YES.

Price - has nothing to do with it.

Power Usage - has nothing to do with it.

Heat Output - has nothing to do with it.

Intel - yeah that's right: Has Nothing To Do With It.

It is the end result. Like a car running the quarter mile at the local drag strip. The cost of it getting a 120mph quarter doesn't change its speed. Nor does what the other car did. It is the time it needs to reach to qualify that matters. And here thanks to Sgt Bilko we have proof that AMD can be a mid-to-high end system. I feel even with my 7870 equivalent cards I am high-mid end.
Sgt Bilko put some time into running those benchmarks,but this thread just keep getting crapped on,it saddens me that no one's noticed the post.
Even the Intel side has said it's viable for mid-end but here we are,with them trying to argue with low quality motherboards and stock cooling,on a overclocking forum.
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Originally Posted by rcoolb2002 View Post

Unless an AWD subrau can do that 10.5@120

and the civic does it in 11.0@120 and cant' drive on the street in that form

wink.gif

Then all the civic boys will start whining about price again!

And hence why most except true brand enthusiast end up moving on from their civics(AMD) to something nice.

*edit.. and this is why car comparisons work and don't work at the same time.
No,that really doesn't work at all,lol. Either way those car's wouldn't be the most ideal for everyday use.
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Actually it is exactly the same as the 8350/8320 as far as architecture and instruction sets. They are just better binned in general and guaranteed stable at their clocks. I think even Kaveri which is steamroller has nothing new in the instruction sets, just architecture improvements.
I remembered someone from the FX club thread said that the 9xxx series added FMA4 or something,but a look at CPU-Z proves them wrong. AMD takes the time to bin and verify the CPU's to 4.8Ghz,but when Intel does all kinds of binning, locking cores,HT,VT and most of their chips everyone seems to be okay with it.
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My board and well most are 125W boards. All equally capable and verified to be able to handle the 9590 as well. Cssorkinman has a 9370 at 5.6 or 5.7 albeit that might be max, seems I remember him saying 5.4 daily (hard to keep up he has a few boards and Vishera chips). All on 125W boards. When I get a 240/360 rad setup I plan to be over 5.0Ghz being I am at 4.74Ghz (as high as 4.84 but reinstalled win7 and redoing OCs for full stability) on a H55 120mm rad.
If you can do 4.8Ghz on a little H55,shouldn't 5.0 be doable on a H100i ?
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don't speak so absolutely. my 4770k was $200 and my UD4H was $75. $275+ tax for both. that's brand new from a store. my 2500k was $150 new at the same store and I got my Z68 mb free (my bro traded a cheapo laptop for it). before that I spent $225 on a 1090T and $200 on a CHIV Formula there. Intel's been considerably cheaper for me. this same store has FX 8350/UD3 for $265 (although the Sabertooth 990FX, UD5 or CHV Z are more comparable to my board) but at a savings of $10 upfront I still wouldn't go that route.
Not. Everyone. Has. A . Microcenter.
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But $230 for a 4770k isn't realistic at all. An Amd build is always 20%-30% cheaper.

don't speak so absolutely. my 4770k was $200 and my UD4H was $75. $275+ tax for both. that's brand new from a store. my 2500k was $150 new at the same store and I got my Z68 mb free (my bro traded a cheapo laptop for it). before that I spent $225 on a 1090T and $200 on a CHIV Formula there. Intel's been considerably cheaper for me. this same store has FX 8350/UD3 for $265 (although the Sabertooth 990FX, UD5 or CHV Z are more comparable to my board) but at a savings of $10 upfront I still wouldn't go that route.

And I was able to get an 8320 for $100 plus a UD3 for $90. I could then buy an H80 with the remainder, clock my 8320 to 4.7, and laugh all the way home while you sit there with the stock cooler.

You are not the majority. In fact, I would call you the top 3% maybe. Your experience is 100% irrelevant, and so is mine.
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And I was able to get an 8320 for $100 plus a UD3 for $90. I could then buy an H80 with the remainder, clock my 8320 to 4.7, and laugh all the way home while you sit there with the stock cooler.

You are not the majority. In fact, I would call you the top 3% maybe. Your experience is 100% irrelevant, and so is mine.

your 4.7ghz is not equal to mine though, maybe not even to the 4.9ghz on the 2500k I had. and i got an h100i that someone bought me in 2012. biggrin.gif undercut all you want, relatively we both got what we paid for. long as they do what we need them to that's all that matters in the end.
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Guys so is this bogus or what?? He has the 8350 hanging with the 3770
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