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biggrin.gif haha Err'one has their benchmarks This is one of the bench's I was referring to

http://be.hardware.info/reviews/5109/27/amd-fx-9590--fx-9370-review-amds-rentree-in-de-high-end-markt-benchmarks-hd-7970-crysis-3-1920x1080-high

I Rounded off FPS to whole nos

i5 4670k 64fps
i7 3820 63fps
i7 2700k 62fps
i7 2600k 58fps
i5 4440 58fps
i5 4430 56fps
i5 3450 55fps
i7 3770 55fps
i7 3770k 53fps
i5 3470 53fps
i5 2500k 51fps
i5 3550 51fps
FX 9590 51fps
FX 8350 50 fps
FX 9370 50 fps
i5 3570k 50fps
i5 3570 46fps
FX 6330 46 fps
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post #1432 of 1593
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Originally Posted by diggiddi View Post

biggrin.gif haha Err'one has their benchmarks This is one of the bench's I was referring to

http://be.hardware.info/reviews/5109/27/amd-fx-9590--fx-9370-review-amds-rentree-in-de-high-end-markt-benchmarks-hd-7970-crysis-3-1920x1080-high

I Rounded off FPS to whole nos

i5 4670k 64fps
i7 3820 63fps
i7 2700k 62fps
i7 2600k 58fps
i5 4440 58fps
i5 4430 56fps
i5 3450 55fps
i7 3770 55fps
i7 3770k 53fps
i5 3470 53fps
i5 2500k 51fps
i5 3550 51fps
FX 9590 51fps
FX 8350 50 fps
FX 9370 50 fps
i5 3570k 50fps
i5 3570 46fps
FX 6330 46 fps

If you read the description, that was on "high" settings. It wasn't even maxed out...try ultra thumb.gif plus even if those were the numbers of Ultra, it just yet again proves AMD is "mid-high" end capable as the fps difference is so low.

I am curious about the 4670k beating the sandy bridge i7's, it would appear that Cryengine does like raw IPC as much as multi-threading thinking.gif
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post #1433 of 1593
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Originally Posted by LordOfTots View Post

If you read the description, that was on "high" settings. It wasn't even maxed out...try ultra thumb.gif plus even if those were the numbers of Ultra, it just yet again proves AMD is "mid-high" end capable as the fps difference is so low.

I am curious about the 4670k beating the sandy bridge i7's, it would appear that Cryengine does like raw IPC as much as multi-threading thinking.gif

Strange results huh, that's what I thought
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post #1434 of 1593
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Crysis3-CPU.png

Overclocked FX-8320 still only performs on the same level as a last-gen Ivy i5-3550 in terms of average FPS, and has a significantly lower minimum FPS (meaning bigger dips with the OC'd FX compared to even a stock i5).

And these results are with a single GTX 680. Use a GTX 780 or R9 290 and the difference between Intel/AMD would be even more pronounced.

2014-04-06 15:31:00 - crysis3
Frames: 77858
Time: 1117966ms
Avg: 69.643
Min: 38
Max: 133

First Mission, everything at Maximum settings, MSAA x 8, AF x 16 etc.
 
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post #1435 of 1593
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Overclocked FX-8320 still only performs on the same level as a last-gen Ivy i5-3550 in terms of average FPS, and has a significantly lower minimum FPS (meaning bigger dips with the OC'd FX compared to even a stock i5).

And these results are with a single GTX 680. Use a GTX 780 or R9 290 and the difference between Intel/AMD would be even more pronounced.

Based on what? An 8320 has absolutely no problem going way beyond 4.0, so your graph is useless. Seriously, 8320s can usually do 4.0 on the stock cooler, that isn't "overclocked". rolleyes.gif
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yeah that min fps is horrible.
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post #1437 of 1593
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There are quite a few former AMD owners who say exactly the opposite of what you claim:

Whats your point? I currently use both a 4770K @ 4.6 and an 8320 @ 4.8, and despite a faster SSD, the i7 DOES NOT feel snapier or quicker in any way. I think it's also worth noting that the i7 required a custom water loop to keep the temps in check while the 8320 required nothing more than a $20 Zalman cooler.

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post #1438 of 1593
I had no issues getting 4.6Ghz on FX8320 using a 90 euro M5A97 evo R2.0 board btw (6+2). Instead of throwing benchies left and right, just do what 2 OCN members did last year and compare against each other.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-3570k-delidded-single-gpu-and-crossfire-gpu
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post #1439 of 1593
Put it this way, rather than saying "you don't need much cooling on an Intel setup" ask most OCN members and see what they have rolleyes.gif I can guarantee you it's probably at least a beefy setup and most definitely a 3rd party cooler.

Whether it's an AMD build or Intel build the rest of the components will probably be similar. No one ever has said "I have spend my money on a 4770K, let's not splash out on an SSD or better GPU".

So the AMD build will probably always be cheaper anyway.


Besides overclock both your Intel chip and AMD chip and hush away at the watts they are pulling. It's probably not a pretty sight ... for either. Intel's energy efficiency goes out the Window once OC'd, and even more so for AMD. So you'll be in the same boat either way.


Also as I have mention you don't need a beefy motherboard to handle an AMD chip, some have mentioned M5A97 EVO (Which I used to have) and the Gigabyte UD3P. I doubt you'd need the best water cooling solution out there, stick a Silver Arrow on it anyway wink.gif


Also if you are so up with your argument buy two tongue.gif a celeron or highest I3 for it's single performance and a FX-8320. Some people switch between rigs, some have more than 1 rig.

And you will never see an OCN member with two rigs exactly the same wink.gif no one ever goes "But the I5-4670K is better than anything else..." because for what you need, your budget, where it is in your house hold comes into place.


And as said before AMD chips still do alright, it's not like members go "Aww come on! Been here ages waiting for this to load" at whatever. It gets the job done quicker than anything from years ago (not Sandy).


Anything with frame rates is the only thing you will see negatively from a CPU, everything else is just measured in ms. So you have to look beyond video recording and gaming for instance. It depends if chip X does task A faster than chip Z or whether chip X does the task decently for a given budget.
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I dont get what you AMD defenders are trying to prove. For a balanced mid range gaming system and I will make it clear what that is:

Cpu: i5 4670k/ fx8350
Mobo: Z87/990FX, 150 $ (decent features and heatsinks etc.)
Ram: 8gb 2000Mhz
GPU: R9 290/GTX780
SSD: 250gb
HDD: 1tb
PSU: 550-650w
Case: 100 $
Cooling: 70 $ liquid or air

Lower mid range:
Cpu: i5 4670k/ fx8320
Mobo: Z87/970FX, 120 $
Ram: 8gb 1600Mhz
GPU: R9 280x/GTX770
SSD: 120gb
HDD: 1tb
PSU: 550-650w
Case: 80 $
Cooling: 50 $ air

Upper mid range:
Cpu: i5 4670k
Mobo: Z87 160 $
Ram: 16gb 2000Mhz
GPU: R9 290x/GTX780
SSD: 250gb
HDD: 2tb
PSU: 600-750w
Case: 150 $
Cooling: 100 $ liquid (h100)

If you are building this system either a i5 or a fx cpu will work fine, but as shown here the i5 will perform slightly better in majority of games. And please dont talk about "oh amd is 20% cheaper", because if you look at the components above, you clearly see your budget can afford a i5 cpu instead. Even in lower mid range segment a i5 can still be viable because the differance is like 50 dollars between the i5 4670k and the fx 8320. If you look at the upper mid range, neither the fx 8320 or the 8350 is even a choice. Upper mid range will also feature a better mobo and a highly clocked i5 4670k. Neither of these systems are built "cheap" so going intel or amd is more preference I would say, with little worse overall performance going the AMD route.
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