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I'm going to keep bringing this up.
What is a Midrange CPU and what is a high end CPU? It seems a lot of us are throwing those words around and matching whatever to them.
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Originally Posted by PachAz View Post

GPU: R9 280x/GTX770

Those cards sure as hell aren't Lower Mid Range.

Until we define Mid Range and High End. This battle is completely pointless.
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I dont get what you AMD defenders are trying to prove. For a balanced mid range gaming system and I will make it clear what that is:

Cpu: i5 4670k/ fx8350
Mobo: Z87/990FX, 150 $ (decent features and heatsinks etc.)
Ram: 8gb 2000Mhz
GPU: R9 290/GTX780
SSD: 250gb
HDD: 1tb
PSU: 550-650w
Case: 100 $
Cooling: 70 $ liquid or air

Lower mid range:
Cpu: i5 4670k/ fx8320
Mobo: Z87/970FX, 120 $
Ram: 8gb 1600Mhz
GPU: R9 280x/GTX770
SSD: 120gb
HDD: 1tb
PSU: 550-650w
Case: 80 $
Cooling: 50 $ air

Upper mid range:
Cpu: i5 4670k
Mobo: Z87 160 $
Ram: 16gb 2000Mhz
GPU: R9 290x/GTX780
SSD: 250gb
HDD: 2tb
PSU: 600-750w
Case: 150 $
Cooling: 100 $ liquid (h100)

If you are building this system either a i5 or a fx cpu will work fine, but as shown here the i5 will perform slightly better in majority of games. And please dont talk about "oh amd is 20% cheaper", because if you look at the components above, you clearly see your budget can afford a i5 cpu instead. Even in lower mid range segment a i5 can still be viable because the differance is like 50 dollars between the i5 4670k and the fx 8320. If you look at the upper mid range, neither the fx 8320 or the 8350 is even a choice. Upper mid range will also feature a better mobo and a highly clocked i5 4670k. Neither of these systems are built "cheap" so going intel or amd is more preference I would say, with little worse overall performance going the AMD route.
So maybe you missed it. I will post again:
Quote:
And that brings up the point of discussion: Is AMD viable for mid-to-high end? And as a number of us have said: YES.

Price - has nothing to do with it.

Power Usage - has nothing to do with it.

Heat Output - has nothing to do with it.

Intel - yeah that's right: Has Nothing To Do With It.
So you see like the Cars in a 1/4mile drag race where you must meet a minimum speed to continue, there is a minimum set of requirements to be considered mid-high end. And the above bolds have precious little to do with the bar set for the end results. They can be factors for those looking to choose from particular hardware but that changes nothing of whther this list of hardware can in fact give the end result performance.

Does that help you Intel guys better understand the question and answer?
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No, because it is all simple here. I have defined the mid range segmenet, which is a combination of price and performance, since the fx 8350 and i5 4670k perform and cost almost the same. Most people here think the systems I made above are in face mid range segment both in price and in performance.

I mean what would you call he fx8350 for then, in what range would you put it? It sure hell isnt in the lower end nor in the high end.
Edited by PachAz - 4/6/14 at 10:22am
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They can be factors for those looking to choose from particular hardware but that changes nothing of whther this list of hardware can in fact give the end result performance.

If one car can hit 30% higher speed and acceleration at 5% higher cost, then the other one does not make sense to buy
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No, because it is all simple here. I have defined the mid range segmenet, which is a combination of price and performance, since the fx 8350 and i5 4670k perform and cost almost the same. Most people here think the systems I made above are in face mid range segment both in price and in performance.

I mean what would you call he fx8350 for then, in what range would you put it? It sure hell isnt in the lower end nor in the high end.

You created your own definition. If an 8350 is mid range then my Athlon is bellow low end. Funny how my CPU can run any game I want it to.

See the issue here? Placing random cut offs that don't make sense. I suppose a Ferrari is a mid range car.
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If one car can hit 30% higher speed and acceleration at 5% higher cost, then the other one does not make sense to buy

The 8350 doesn't stop being "mid end" just because the 4670k is better in some ways. The thread isn't about which cpus are better performers or are better for bang for the buck. It's about if AMD cpus can be used in the "mid to high end" range, and the obvious answer is yes.
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Athlon XP is in deed a low end, it can run many games yes of course because many games dont require a super duper CPU. But just because of that, it doesnt mean its any where near mid range.
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Athlon XP is in deed a low end, it can run many games yes of course because many games dont require a super duper CPU. But just because of that, it doesnt mean its any where near mid range.

Athlon II X4 750k. Look it up.
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Athlon XP is in deed a low end, it can run many games yes of course because many games dont require a super duper CPU. But just because of that, it doesnt mean its any where near mid range.

My 6800k is basically an Athlon 760k because of my use of a 7950, and I have been able to max out EVERY game but Crysis 3 and AC4. Not calling this chip mid range, but if my AMD quad core can max 90% or more of games, I really don't see how a 8320 can be considered less than mid end.
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Athlon XP is in deed a low end, it can run many games yes of course because many games dont require a super duper CPU. But just because of that, it doesnt mean its any where near mid range.

Athlon II X4 750k. Look it up.

Yeah, that's still a low end CPU.

AMD's current Athlons: low end
AMD's current FX: low-mid to midrange
AMD's current high-end: wait, they don't have any current chips that can compete in high end, nvm
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