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Most people who are paying more than 80 dollars for an LGA-1150 board are paying to much. Only very specific uses really justify more.

Only Z87 overclocks.

Absolute cheapest Z87 on newegg is $100, and it's a crap board.

So I call bull, the limit isn't $80, certainly not on OCN. Where you got that price I have no idea, but if you plan on overclocking on an $80 board you certainly have another thing coming. 80 euros maybe, but not USD.

If we're going to take Ebay or other places that do not apply to everyone into consideration, then I invoke Microcenter; 970A-UD3P for $50. And it can actually OC, though not as well as some high-end boards.
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You don't even have a sig rig listed,so your opinions are just that. I'd have to assume you're using Intel judging by you have to argue everyone's AMD build with Intel, even where an AMD setup may be more viable,also by you claiming that all AMD motherboards are "crap and will fry or explode".
No of course not because with every situation in this thread you've found a excuse for AMD to not be viable and always use gaming as an excuse. A 3570T is still a $200 chip,and locked. Can it do a VM on 1 core,storage server on 2 cores,4 cores for folding,and another core for PfSense? Doing all that at once? No,because you're out of cores by the time you do a VM,storage,and PfSense setup,as storage wouldn't be optimal on just 1 core.

Look. AM3+ boards have a separate northbridge. This adds up to the cost. The manufacturers try to decrease this cost by butchering other parts of the board. When this happens, the vrm is affected. It's not my fault.

That's not all. Power management on high power processors is an issue. Not many makers can do efficient and properly designed voltage regulators to feed high power processors. You can get away with it on LGA115x boards because processors for them don't really go over the 200 watts mark even when overclocked.
The problem shows up on boards for high wattage processors. There are quite a few boards (usually from the low end side of things) for x58, x79, AMx that go bang when pushed. Again, it's not my fault.

Now, in the previous post I mentioned gaming as an additional reason to get an FX over an intel processor. It was meant to be a plus for AMD, not the other way around as you make it seem.

About the cores, you can assign same cores between tasks where the OS handles how the load is split. The aforementioned load is not something that will put major load on the CPU either (who uses a cpu for stuff like folding and mining? a cheap gpu can do that multiple times faster and the related load on the cpu becomes more or less zero).

About my system. As mentioned, my current main rig is a non standard build, designed to do something specific, fast. Well, it does. It's a 3930k paired with a radeon 5850. Weird pair, not a good choice for neither most workstations nor for most gaming builds, but for what I do, it's perfect. The case that holds this thing together is also some cheap and thin 30$ case just because.
I also have an old XP 3200 (barton, good stuff back then) that served me well over the (long) past years, but with everything on the PCI bus and the likes it's not really usable nowadays.

Now, you don't like what I say. I do not mind. Lots of people in here do not like what I say. But you have to understand that I'm not going to write a bunch of TLDR posts with evidence while knowing that any facts I might bring to the table will certainly be conveniently ignored (as it happened quite a few times up until now until I stopped giving a damn like everyone else in here and joined the merry-go-round).

If you're interested in the AMx boards that fry, you can have a look over the net. There are a few people all around with fried vrm on the older am3+ ud3 boards (amongst others). However, I never, ever, ever said stuff like "AMD motherboards are crap and will fry or explode". A badly designed board is just that. Some intel boards are like that too (ie: ud3 for x79, ud3r rev1 for x58, oh what a nice coincidence tongue.gif). Again, it's not my fault.
Edited by PsyM4n - 4/7/14 at 10:17pm
post #1513 of 1593
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There are no sub 100$ 970 series boards with good vrm. Just having 8 phases doesn't make a vrm good. That 990 ud3 r4 is also on the expensive side (it uses more expensive and more powerful parts, it's good stuff).

Using one of those "cheap" boards for overclocking is not viable unless you don't mind frequent board RMAs (and the associated downtime).

Really? I have a cheap (sub $60) board that has a phenom x2 unlocked to a quad over clocked to 3.5ghz that has been running everyday for 3 years. It's never turned off, always on lol...that sounds viable..
post #1514 of 1593
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Only Z87 overclocks.

There are non-Z87 LGA-1150 boards that do allow overclocking adjustments with current Haswell CPUs. Biostar, ASRock, and ESC (though I avoid the latter like the plague) all have H8x boards that can OC K parts.

http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?cat=News&ID=1461
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/news/news.php?S_ID=173
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Media/NewsRoom_Detail.aspx?NewsID=1589&MenuID=45&LanID=0

All three companies have boards in the 60-80 dollar range that can OC just fine.

Some later BIOSes and new CPU microcode may require patching to get around, but there is no hardware reason for OCing to be limited to Z parts.
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Really? I have a cheap (sub $60) board that has a phenom x2 unlocked to a quad over clocked to 3.5ghz that has been running everyday for 3 years. It's never turned off, always on lol...that sounds viable..

A Phenom II X4 is far short of FX 8-core power consumption.
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Really? I have a cheap (sub $60) board that has a phenom x2 unlocked to a quad over clocked to 3.5ghz that has been running everyday for 3 years. It's never turned off, always on lol...that sounds viable..

From the sound of it, it's probably an asus. These are usually reliable and have proper protections and the likes (stealth throttle and the likes). But a board adequate for you and a "good" board for an octa core fully loaded at 4.5GHz is not exactly the same thing.
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From the sound of it, it's probably an asus. These are usually reliable and have proper protections and the likes (stealth throttle and the likes). But a board adequate for you and a "good" board for an octa core fully loaded at 4.5GHz is not exactly the same thing.

Gigabyte actually. Let's just settles this. And octa plus mb is cheaper then i5 plus same quality mb. And unless your benchmarking, you will never tell what system is what.
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Gigabyte actually. Let's just settles this. And octa plus mb is cheaper then i5 plus same quality mb. And unless your benchmarking, you will never tell what system is what.
Hmmm... nope, not at all.

What's the gigabyte mobo btw?
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And octa plus mb is cheaper then i5 plus same quality mb.

The problem with this line of thought is that you need a higher quality VRM to reliably deliver 300w of clean power than you do to deliver 100w of clean power.

Paying for extra quality that serves no purpose is just waste. I do not need a robust eight phase VRM to OC a Haswell on air. A cheap 4-phase solution is already more than sufficient for that scenario.
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And unless your benchmarking, you will never tell what system is what.

Not always true.
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And octa plus mb is cheaper then i5 plus same quality mb.

The problem with this line of thought is that you need a higher quality VRM to reliably deliver 300w of clean power than you do to deliver 100w of clean power.

Paying for extra quality that serves no purpose is just waste. I do not need a robust eight phase VRM to OC a Haswell on air. A cheap 4-phase solution is already more than sufficient for that scenario.
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And unless your benchmarking, you will never tell what system is what.

Not always true.

The 970A-UD3P is an extremely good contender in the "$100 or less" category, and you literally can not buy a intel motherboard that would allow i5K+MB to be cheaper than 8320+MB. If Microcenter gets involved then 8320 + 970A-UD3P is cheaper than even an on sale 4670k at the same store.

Also the intel would be sucking down a lot more than 100w if OC'd as much as an AMD chip drawing 300w. While I'm sure you understand this, this thread is filled with just the wrong people to make these kinds of statements in, even as an example. Several people would take this literally, and use it to bash.
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Hmmm... nope, not at all.

What's the gigabyte mobo btw?

Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P AMD770. Purchased 7/19/2009 and running 24/7 since. So I guess that's 4.5 years.

Edit:I've done the side by side test hundreds of times. To overclockers, everyday people, business owners, computer techs and not one could tell the difference between an i7 920 rig and a phenom x6 rig. Later I used an i5 and a a8 rig. I'm not talking about guessing right. I'm talking about knowing what rig is what.

I did this all the time with customers that would come in demanding an Intel rig over an amd.
Edited by Papas - 4/7/14 at 11:04pm
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