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Originally Posted by PsyM4n View Post

Wait, is the ud3p at sub 100$ there? Cause it actually is a good choice, essentially the same as the 990fx ud3r4 on the power delivery side.

The intel processor would still draw much less than the fx though, even when overclocked.
Yup, that's a good board. Can't say anything about it. VRM heatsinked or empty topped?

But that's old man, it's not really for current processors. xD[/quote
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Originally Posted by Insane569 View Post

Well my Rig cost 1000$(not counting my screens and surround sound) but I also got a lot of things I didn't need. Like a liquid cooler and a blu ray player.
I'm sitting at 4.4ghz on my 60$ mobo. Near i5 level bench marks. On an 80$ CPU.

Awesome. That's what I've been trying to say. You can get a amd cpu and mb for the cost of a i5 cpu. If your on a budget you can build a better gaming machine with amd that can play All the games without issue.
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Originally Posted by LordOfTots View Post

What if you don't just play heavily CPU bound, horribly optimized games rolleyes.gif what if the rig was designed for say, Battlefield 4? AMD is viable whether or not it suits your specific needs, because others do have needs that AMD CPU's suit well.

For bf4, both work.

I'm saying as a whole, for a midrange system playing RTS/MMO games - there's a lot of people who face the choice of having to pay etc £710 for an 8320 OC build or £750 for a 4670k OC build - and in that case, if one can give them 30% higher FPS in a range of games, there is only one choice.
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You know what isn't superficial? Every ASRock board I've ever owned bends when I plug in the sata cables. That's just pathetic, and very much low quality. (To be fair, the boards were mid-range at best)

Yeah, they have fewer and thinner PCB layers.

They don't need a huge number of layers to handle two channels of middling speed memory, 16x PCI-E lanes, and minimal integrated components.

More layers is a waste for the platform and the hardware most people would likely install on a system of the proposed budget.
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They are not up to par.

9 out of 10 of them will still last way longer than most people are going to need them to.

Indeed, my cheap boards tend to last the longest, because I don't expect to be able to push them hard. I have 50-70 dollar ASRock, DFI and Biostar boards that are 5-10 years old, that will probably be working years after I kill the 500 dollar Haswell-E board I don't even have yet.
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If you are hurting so bad for money that you must buy a $70 board

Wishing to trim unnecessary costs does not imply an inability to spend more.
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Do buy quality first, with features you may find a use for in the future and with room to expand.

Room to expand? By the time I need to expand a system, I need a new CPU socket.

Expansion to most people is adding another HDD, stick of RAM, or swapping out a video card.
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Don't buy low-end first because it's all you can afford, wishing you had better, and having to save up from scratch to get better things when you want/need them.

Parts are always getting cheaper. If you're that hard up you can buy used.

However, having written this whole rant, I acknowledge that there are those, including I am willing to guess yourself, that have lower bars for acceptance than I do.

I build for the task at hand, balancing reliability, longevity, expandability, performance, and cost to the needs of build. Sometimes this demands the highest quality available, more often it does not.

I can reasonably expect one of these 70 dollar boards to do what I claim they will do, reliably, for much longer than most people would keep a system.
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~35% more power consumption for a part that's over 50% faster. Seems reasonable. Especially since the intel part is from 2011.

That said SB-E =/= Haswell i5. Kyad PsyM4n and Blameless were talking about the 100W claim for Haswell i5 with around a 20% OC on it.

Yeah, there is a huge difference between what is probably a leaky SB-E clocked way past the point of efficient scaling and the kind of OC I mentioned on the Haswell i5.

The last few hundred MHz on most any chip results in enormous increases in power consumption. Which is exactly why I recommend a more mild OC where budget is a strong consideration. If you can knock off half your board and most of your cooling cost and only need to sacrifice 5-10% of your total clock speed to do it, it may well be worth it for a mid-range system. It's not as fun though.
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You tend to mix up alot here, when speaking about mid range systems I expect you to understand that this doesnt mean finding the "cheapest" motherboard and such.

If I'm not spending 50%+ of the budget on the GPU, I'm not making a real effort at optimizing gaming performance for the dollar.

Some one gives me a mid-range budget (lets say 1000 dollars) and tells me to build them them best gaming system possible within that budget, it's going to have a $70 motherboard, because I need to fit a GTX 780 (at least) in it. And I'm confident enough in such boards that I will give them a warranty, in writing.

It's foolish to cheap out on the motherboard, regardless of the platform. It's the foundation of the whole system. A $340 chip on an $70 motherboard makes no sense to me whatsoever.

The quality of the hardware, bios and the features all are reflected in the price of the motherboard. I've no experience with biostar, but the bios on the Asrock's I've had were a bit sketchy and ECS well , they were borderline terrible.

The 8320 would save you around $180 over the 4770K a great way to make room for a big honkin gpu in a gaming rig budget.


Kyad is spot on about Asrock pcb btw - the DVI and vga connectors on the FM socket's extreme 6 boards are so flimsy it's embarassing.
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Do we have and answer to the Question
"AMD No longer a viable option for mid-high end?"

Maybe a survey or poll can be added to page
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For bf4, both work.

I'm saying as a whole, for a midrange system playing RTS/MMO games - there's a lot of people who face the choice of having to pay etc £710 for an 8320 OC build or £750 for a 4670k OC build - and in that case, if one can give them 30% higher FPS in a range of games, there is only one choice.

Ummm wrong prices. Just intel cpu alone is $80 more expensive, top am3+ mb is $199, top 1150 board is $400. That is another $200 difference. So $280 is no where near 40 pounds. That means the difference between a 780ti and a titan. That would make the amd a better deal. Stop trying to negate the costs. Amd is cheaper. Amd overclocked performs just as well as the higher priced i5 and i7's. This is fact, has been proven over and over again just in this thread alone. Enough is enough.
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Stop trying to negate the costs. Amd is cheaper. Amd overclocked to 5+ GHz on a $300 watercooling loop performs almost as well as the higher priced i5 and i7's at stock. This is fact, has been proven over and over again just in this thread alone. Enough is enough.

FTFY


If you clock it to 5 GHz, at least you get a decent space heater, though:

51144.png
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Stop trying to negate the costs. Amd is cheaper. Amd overclocked to 5+ GHz on a $300 watercooling loop performs almost as well as the higher priced i5 and i7's at stock. This is fact, has been proven over and over again just in this thread alone. Enough is enough.

FTFY


If you clock it to 5 GHz, at least you get a decent space heater, though:

51144.png

Curious, what does your 2700k pull at 5 ghz?
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FTFY


If you clock it to 5 GHz, at least you get a decent space heater, though:

51144.png

And there are graphs showing the 6 core intel consuming even more power then the 8350 so you have no point. And as far as that fix all just say you are severely blowing that cost out your.... A decent air cooler or closed loop system works just as good. And a 6 core is gonna need some serious cooling too.
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Ummm wrong prices. Just intel cpu alone is $80 more expensive, top am3+ mb is $199, top 1150 board is $400. That is another $200 difference. So $280 is no where near 40 pounds. That means the difference between a 780ti and a titan. That would make the amd a better deal. Stop trying to negate the costs. Amd is cheaper. Amd overclocked performs just as well as the higher priced i5 and i7's. This is fact, has been proven over and over again just in this thread alone. Enough is enough.

I went over this
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top 1150 board is $400

Why is this relevant when you can run 1.5vcore and kill the chip on a £94 board?
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Amd overclocked performs just as well as the higher priced i5 and i7's. This is fact, has been proven over and over again

Not sure what you're smoking, but i want some. The 8320 has been argued as equivalent to 4670k but it falls short in places (with some slight advantages) and is cheaper as a result
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If you clock it to 5 GHz, at least you get a decent space heater, though:
]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6396/51144.png
You've gotta love those biased graphs,only showing the AMD system overclocked,of course the Intel based system at stock consumes less power. Nice editing and chopping up his quote by the way,you know a thread has more than run it's course when people resort to putting words in people's mouths so to speak.

Someone else posted this one before,but it's about the only accurate graph in this whole thread,lol.
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It's foolish to cheap out on the motherboard, regardless of the platform. It's the foundation of the whole system. A $340 chip on an $70 motherboard makes no sense to me whatsoever.

The quality of the hardware, bios and the features all are reflected in the price of the motherboard. I've no experience with biostar, but the bios on the Asrock's I've had were a bit sketchy and ECS well , they were borderline terrible.

The 8320 would save you around $180 over the 4770K a great way to make room for a big honkin gpu in a gaming rig budget.

Kyad is spot on about Asrock pcb btw - the DVI and vga connectors on the FM socket's extreme 6 boards are so flimsy it's embarassing.
So much of that,I had a Asrock FM2 board thinking I could save some money,I can agree that the DVI,VGA ports,even the USB ports were so flimsy. The board flexing when I inserted ram or a sata cable was awful. I quickly returned it for a Asus that actually didn't cost much more.
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