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The 4770K still consumes a lot of power when OC'ed,and a 4670K is the same thing without HT and a few other things turned off,so the power consumption would be similar.
I don't get why you even brought up the 4960X? It's a $1,000 CPU,if you can afford it and the board to go with it,you're going to use a custom loop anyway and not even care about the power bill.

 

Hyper-threading induces about a 20W extra power draw over it being turned off. This is from the 'ol Nehalem days, but it is still fairly applicable: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2658/8

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The graph where

a stock 8350 has 38% higher system power draw than a stock 4770K?
And where an OC'd 8350 has 85% higher system power draw than an OC'd 4770K?
And where both at stock and once OC'd a 4960X will draw less power than a 8350? While being 50%+ faster?

That graph?

Lol thought a mod would be reasonable.
Let me explain it simply.

People said the 8350 is garbage because it consumes so much power.
The 8350 compares reasonably to the i7 in performance
The 8350 is almost half the price of a i7
The power consumption is higher on the 8350 but not by the amount everyone keeps saying
Yes it consumes more power

Let's put it this way, does a cpu that is half the price, compares just as well in most tasks but consumes more power horrible? I don't think so.

What I'm trying to say is you can't say x cpu is garbage because of power consumption but when y cpu is shown to consume way more power you can't say it does not matter. It goes against your own argument and makes you sound ignorant.
post #1573 of 1593
Please for the love of God close this thread. It has gotten way out of hand IMO. Intel and AMD users are never going to agree. And this thread only perpetuates the battle and trolling we do to each other.

I have been on both sides of the coin in this debate. Personally I don't give a rats butt either way. As long as the hardware I get does the job that I need it to do at the price that I can afford. Which, for me and a lot of others on a tight budget, is not Intel. Intel is too expensive for me so I have AMD. I had Intel in the past. It worked for me then. I have AMD now. It works for me now.

As I said before. I have been on both side of this debate. I can honestly say that, in my experience, I have never seen AMD users troll Intel threads as much as Intel users troll the AMD threads. It needs to stop. Please, if you have nothing helpful to add to an AMD related situation then stay the heck out of it and don't troll the thread with the "Intel Superiority" babble I have seen so much of. Please stop it. We don't need it. Intel is superior performance wise in a majority of the cases. But when on a budget that does not allow Intel pricing then its pointless to point Intel out.

In the same regard, any AMD Trolling in the Intel threads also needs to stop. We know that AMD is less expensive than Intel and that depending on the budget and needs of the end user that it can be a viable option.

Stop the cross thread trolling.

Please shut this thread down.
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Curious, what does your 2700k pull at 5 ghz?

In 3DMark11, Heaven, and various game benchmarks, the entire system hovers around 300-350W from the wall as measured by a Kill-A-Watt.
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Please for the love of God close this thread. It has gotten way out of hand IMO. Intel and AMD users are never going to agree. And this thread only perpetuates the battle and trolling we do to each other.

I have been on both sides of the coin in this debate. Personally I don't give a rats butt either way. As long as the hardware I get does the job that I need it to do at the price that I can afford. Which, in this case, is not Intel. Intel is too expensive for me so I have AMD. I had Intel in the past. It worked for me then. I have AMD now. It works for me now.

As I said before. I have been on both side of this debate. I can honestly say that, in my experience, I have never seen AMD users troll Intel threads as much as Intel users troll the AMD threads. It needs to stop. Please, if you have nothing helpful to add to an AMD related situation they stay the heck out of it and don't troll the thread with the "Intel Superiority" babble I have seen so much of. Please stop it. We don't need it. Intel is superior performance wise in a majority of the cases. But when on a budget that does not allow Intel pricing then its pointless to point Intel out.

In the same regard, any AMD Trolling in the Intel threads also needs to stop. We know that AMD is less expensive than Intel and that depending on the budget and needs of the end user that it can be a viable option.

Stop the cross thread trolling.

Please shut this thread down.

 

I guess you haven't been reading the news section when a new CPU is released from either side, nor have you read the general processor subforum on an average day. It is just as much trolling from both sides on both of those subforums.

 

And here is also where you don't get it. There is a heck of a difference between trolling, and a discussion where people are actually trying to use evidence (not talking out of their rears, like some people in this thread who are ACTUALLY trolling).

 

You and others are all entitled to your opinion, but this is a forum where people Google search something about PC hardware, and is one of the top forums to show up in searches (besides Toms, unfortunately). There is a difference between trying to pass off your opinion as fact, and misleading that person who came here to learn, than actually posting and arguing your facts, and teaching someone something new.

 

Some people in this thread are just being fanboys/girls (which I hate), and some are actually trying to argue facts. Which is a huge difference.

post #1576 of 1593
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Lol thought a mod would be reasonable.
Let me explain it simply.

People said the 8350 is garbage because it consumes so much power.
The 8350 compares reasonably to the i7 in performance
The 8350 is almost half the price of a i7
The power consumption is higher on the 8350 but not by the amount everyone keeps saying
Yes it consumes more power

Let's put it this way, does a cpu that is half the price, compares just as well in most tasks but consumes more power horrible? I don't think so.

What I'm trying to say is you can't say x cpu is garbage because of power consumption but when y cpu is shown to consume way more power you can't say it does not matter. It goes against your own argument and makes you sound ignorant.

Well, in that case you can get an i5 and overclock it for the same price as the fx 8350. The performance will be close on multi-threaded stuff, but on single threaded stuff it'll be a clean win for the i5. smile.gif
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And there are graphs showing the 6 core intel consuming even more power then the 8350 so you have no point. And as far as that fix all just say you are severely blowing that cost out your.... A decent air cooler or closed loop system works just as good. And a 6 core is gonna need some serious cooling too.

why compare the power consumption to high end i7's on socket 2011? you are comparing cost with socket 1155/1150 so be consistent. also, 5ghz FX performs like a stock i5/i7 shows just why there is a price difference. all this debate is pointless. cheaper for a reason, that reason is performance/watt, performance/dollar and raw performance, all of which favor mid range intel i5/i7. AMD is still viable, just less so than intel unless you have a very niche situation or <$350 to spend on a cpu/mobo. the only intel chips that consume on the level of FX 8 cores are so much faster and so much more expensive that there is almost no basis for any relevant comparison between them.
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Well, in that case you can get an i5 and overclock it for the same price as the fx 8350. The performance will be close on multi-threaded stuff, but on single threaded stuff it'll be a clean win for the i5. smile.gif

only AMD can overclock to get more performance. with 8+2 phases can achieve 3.9ghz mid range Intel performance at 5ghz. thumb.gif
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I guess you haven't been reading the news section when a new CPU is released from either side, nor have you read the general processor subforum on an average day. It is just as much trolling from both sides on both of those subforums.

And here is also where you don't get it. There is a heck of a difference between trolling, and a discussion where people are actually trying to use evidence (not talking out of their rears, like some people in this thread who are ACTUALLY trolling).

You and others are all entitled to your opinion, but this is a forum where people Google search something about PC hardware, and is one of the top forums to show up in searches (besides Toms, unfortunately). There is a difference between trying to pass off your opinion as fact, and misleading that person who came here to learn, than actually posting and arguing your facts, and teaching someone something new.

Some people in this thread are just being fanboys/girls (which I hate), and some are actually trying to argue facts. Which is a huge difference.

It's that reason in bold that I would like to see it shut down. The argument of whether AMD is still a viable gaming option or not is never going to be solved. Its a matter of opinion that the 2 sides differ on. Why perpetuate the argument? I'm not in disagreement that Intel is the better performer. But for general gaming purposes, regardless of power consumption and other statistics, AMD will run games just fine. That's all I would like to say on the subject.
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Well, in that case you can get an i5 and overclock it for the same price as the fx 8350. The performance will be close on multi-threaded stuff, but on single threaded stuff it'll be a clean win for the i5. smile.gif

I'm not saying i5 is bad. I'm upset that ignorant people troll and say amd is not high end because of power consumption. But when you show an i7 pulling even more power they say it's faster so it's OK . that makes no sense to me. If you want to compare cpu for performance, let's do it. I'm sick of people going well an i5 is better, but when you show graphs that the 8350 beats it as some tasks they scream about power consumption as a backup. Make up your mind.
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If I'm not spending 50%+ of the budget on the GPU, I'm not making a real effort at optimizing gaming performance for the dollar.

Some one gives me a mid-range budget (lets say 1000 dollars) and tells me to build them them best gaming system possible within that budget, it's going to have a $70 motherboard, because I need to fit a GTX 780 (at least) in it. And I'm confident enough in such boards (well, in specific boards within this ballpark) that I will give them a warranty, in writing.
Well, I cant agree really because if these days, its not only about taking the cheapest mobo and everything else and slap in a high end gpu, its all about balancing. I feel a cheap mobo just doesnt cut it if you wanna OC a bit, and a stable OC is important for the future and fun. But hey, lets build a 1000 dolar mid range gaming system on newegg and post it here, if you feel you are so confident....
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