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The 8350 compares reasonably to the i7 in performance

FX overclocked to 5 GHz performs like a stock i7. To get the FX to 5 GHz, you need a watercooling loop, so it ends up costing more than the i7.
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post #1582 of 1593
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FX overclocked to 5 GHz performs like a stock i7. To get the FX to 5 GHz, you need a watercooling loop, so it ends up costing more than the i7.

I've seen 5ghz 8350's on air coolers like the NH-D14.
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post #1583 of 1593
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I'm not saying i5 is bad. I'm upset that ignorant people troll and say amd is not high end because of power consumption. But when you show an i7 pulling even more power they say it's faster so it's OK . that makes no sense to me. If you want to compare cpu for performance, let's do it. I'm sick of people going well an i5 is better, but when you show graphs that the 8350 beats it as some tasks they scream about power consumption as a backup. Make up your mind.

 

There is about a 20 W difference between an i5 and i7 as an i5 is pretty much the exact same chip as the i7 w/o hyper-threading. So in that case, the i5 would be pulling nearly 90W less than a FX-8350 stock vs stock, and nearly a 180W difference OC vs OC.

 

If you don't even believe me on the i5 vs i7, then here is proof (which you consequently are ignoring):

 

 

 

And that isn't even comparing performance.

 

It would seem the person ignorant here is you. Especially when you are completely ignorant of the graphs that you are actually referring to.

 

I hate being the pretentious prick here, but do you even read what you are writing?

post #1584 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Papas View Post

I'm not saying i5 is bad. I'm upset that ignorant people troll and say amd is not high end because of power consumption. But when you show an i7 pulling even more power they say it's faster so it's OK . that makes no sense to me. If you want to compare cpu for performance, let's do it. I'm sick of people going well an i5 is better, but when you show graphs that the 8350 beats it as some tasks they scream about power consumption as a backup. Make up your mind.

Well, the 3930k is older and has more integrated functionality. Also it has more FPUs (an FPU draws like twice as much as an integer unit) and more cache. It's no wonder it draws more than the 8350. For the record, the 8150 draws more than both, while the 4930k draws less than all 3. xD

Now, on multi-threaded performance the 4670 and the 8350 are pretty close. The balance falls to the 8350 whenever integer math is abused and to the 4670 when floating point math is abused. It really depends on the application. There will always be cases where one wins over the other. It's about what apps you're going to use. If the processor you choose wins most of the time but you're only going to use apps where it loses, you're doing it wrong.

On single threaded performance the 4670 cleanly wins, but again if you're mostly using multi-threaded apps that abuse integer operations you're better off with an 8350.


Edit: If you have the impression that I avoid giving a definite answer, then you are correct. It's impossible to give an answer that makes the argument cease once and for all.

Let me give an example.

Assume that you have an application (which is a few years old and such) that performs better on a 4670k than on an 8350. I'm not talking marginally better here, I'm talking about two times faster and such.
Now the developer of the application wakes up one morning and decides to use openCL to send some of the load of his application to the GPU (just because he can). He does so and his application now performs two times faster on an 8350 than a 4670k.

Thing is, I can't know when and if something like that is going to happen. Of course it's almost impossible to do performance tests on every single application currently out there. As a result, it's impossible to give an answer as simple as "1+1=2". That's pretty much it.
Edited by PsyM4n - 4/8/14 at 5:51pm
post #1585 of 1593
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Intels single threaded performance isn't just good for single thread, it bleeds into multithreading too. if you're using programs that only rely on 4 threads, which most do and that isn't going to change much anytime soon, then those 4 powerful cores will run those 4 threads better than all of AMD's cores.

And it's ridiculous for people to try to compare the most expensive AMD board to the most expensive Intel board.

The truth is, you DON'T need a high end board to overclock an Intel processor well, but you do need a decent board to overclock AMD well. You can put something like the 4770K in the cheapest board and have zero issues. I dare someone to try to overclock well on a $40 board with AMD.....oh wait, you can't even find a $40 board that will run an 8XXX. The lowest I saw was about $70-80, and it was a cheapo brand. And you're going to need a 140w board minimum to get any worthwhile overclockability. Some people seem to think they can just max overclock a 125w cpu on a 125w board. Now that's laughable. It's like they expect to reach 9XXX levels at 100w less power somehow.
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Intels single threaded performance isn't just good for single thread, it bleeds into multithreading too. if you're using programs that only rely on 4 threads, which most do and that isn't going to change much anytime soon, then those 4 powerful cores will run those 4 threads better than all of AMD's cores.

And it's ridiculous for people to try to compare the most expensive AMD board to the most expensive Intel board.

The truth is, you DON'T need a high end board to overclock an Intel processor well, but you do need a decent board to overclock AMD well. You can put something like the 4770K in the cheapest board and have zero issues. I dare someone to try to overclock well on a $40 board with AMD.....oh wait, you can't even find a $40 board that will run an 8XXX. The lowest I saw was about $70-80, and it was a cheapo brand. And you're going to need a 140w board minimum to get any worthwhile overclockability. Some people seem to think they can just max overclock a 125w cpu on a 125w board. Now that's laughable. It's like they expect to reach 9XXX levels at 100w less power somehow.

We've been through all that already recently... not again... -_-
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Intels single threaded performance isn't just good for single thread, it bleeds into multithreading too. if you're using programs that only rely on 4 threads, which most do and that isn't going to change much anytime soon, then those 4 powerful cores will run those 4 threads better than all of AMD's cores.

And it's ridiculous for people to try to compare the most expensive AMD board to the most expensive Intel board.

The truth is, you DON'T need a high end board to overclock an Intel processor well, but you do need a decent board to overclock AMD well. You can put something like the 4770K in the cheapest board and have zero issues. I dare someone to try to overclock well on a $40 board with AMD.....oh wait, you can't even find a $40 board that will run an 8XXX. The lowest I saw was about $70-80, and it was a cheapo brand. And you're going to need a 140w board minimum to get any worthwhile overclockability. Some people seem to think they can just max overclock a 125w cpu on a 125w board. Now that's laughable. It's like they expect to reach 9XXX levels at 100w less power somehow.

His handle is AMDATI yet he is speaking against AMD......Words cannot express my disappoint....
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His handle is AMDATI yet he is speaking against AMD......Words cannot express my disappoint....

Can't really blame him when AMD hasn't made a competitive high-end CPU since about 2010 with the Phenom II X6...
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I like how "viable option" became "best possible option"

"Is a minivan a viable option for driving on the highway?" " NO! IT'S NOT A PORSCHE!"
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I like how "viable option" became "best possible option"

"Is a minivan a viable option for driving on the highway?" " NO! IT'S NOT A PORSCHE!"

Also, "Mid-High End" is subjective to the individual. Its not going to be something that everyone across the board can agree upon.
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