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It's called Microcenter. You know, that place that the intel camp likes to point to whenever trying to refute AMD price advantage? You stand corrected.

I quote prices that are most commonly accessible.

I do have a Microcenter within reach, and my last four Intel hex core parts came from IRE, but I'm not going to say "just get a 4930k, mine only cost 220 dollars", or "hey, this 3770k was 99 bucks, way better price performance than anything".
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It's called Microcenter. You know, that place that the intel camp likes to point to whenever trying to refute AMD price advantage? You stand corrected.

I quote prices that are most commonly accessible.

I do have a Microcenter within reach, and my last four Intel hex core parts came from IRE, but I'm not going to say "just get a 4930k, mine only cost 220 dollars", or "hey, this 3770k was 99 bucks, way better price performance than anything".

In doing so , reality in a comparison is more accurately reflected for a greater number of people. I used the microcenter price initially for comparison for the very reasons 2advanced cited, it's quite often quoted by those supporting an Intel purchase, generally , turnabout is considered fairplay. I paid $129 for the 8320 I purchased at newegg, but even at the prices quoted by Derp, I believe it is still a better value than the I 7 quads at their retail prices.
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Last I checked, this isn't overclockgamers.net

I'd hardly call gaming a benchmark for a processors performance range anymore. perhaps several years ago, but not today, since even a 5 year old processor can run any game great when paired with a powerful enough GPU. That just makes a gaming stance trivial.

I also find it funny how when people talk about gaming, they don't acknowledge competitive gaming, you know, the gaming where more than 60 or 120fps matters. After a certain point, frame rates can become CPU bound. Even games like TF2 have 500 tick servers (which means the physics are able to handle a 500fps frame rate). But it's not just about extreme performance today.....it's also about acceptable performance *tomorrow*.....longevity.
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Last I checked, this isn't overclockgamers.net

I'd hardly call gaming a benchmark for a processors performance range anymore. perhaps several years ago, but not today, since even a 5 year old processor can run any game great when paired with a powerful enough GPU. That just makes a gaming stance trivial.

I also find it funny how when people talk about gaming, they don't acknowledge competitive gaming, you know, the gaming where more than 60 or 120fps matters. After a certain point, frame rates can become CPU bound. Even games like TF2 have 500 tick servers (which means the physics are able to handle a 500fps frame rate). But it's not just about extreme performance today.....it's also about acceptable performance *tomorrow*.....longevity.

You've contradicted yourself then, so AMD are still viable really.

Plus not everyone can spend a mountain of money just to achieve 60-120 FPS. That range is absurd and unrealistic for the majority of gamers anyway. "Competitive gaming" is in the minority; most just want to be able to crank the eye candy up whilst maintaining a decent frame rate.


I personally wouldn't want to spend a whack just so bullets and other environmental or whatever effects flow smoother.


This day and age the term "acceptable" is actually pretty decent in terms of performance.
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Last I checked, this isn't overclockgamers.net

I'd hardly call gaming a benchmark for a processors performance range anymore. perhaps several years ago, but not today, since even a 5 year old processor can run any game great when paired with a powerful enough GPU. That just makes a gaming stance trivial.

I also find it funny how when people talk about gaming, they don't acknowledge competitive gaming, you know, the gaming where more than 60 or 120fps matters. After a certain point, frame rates can become CPU bound. Even games like TF2 have 500 tick servers (which means the physics are able to handle a 500fps frame rate). But it's not just about extreme performance today.....it's also about acceptable performance *tomorrow*.....longevity.

pending resolutions, specific titles and more obviously. Your right, its not all about gaming but this is overclock.net and gaming is just used a method to see which components perform at what levels. There are other methods that are used to bench a system but since they are synthetic they are/arent place holders for how they will perform in real world scenarios. Gaming is used as one of those real world scenarios.

We can bench excel formula's if you prefer...compressing or extracting files etc. Its your thread OP. Ask for the information that is relevant to you and it will follow suit as you have many passionate individuals that are willing to give you data to use for reference in your purchasing decision
    
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pending resolutions, specific titles and more obviously. Your right, its not all about gaming but this is overclock.net and gaming is just used a method to see which components perform at what levels. There are other methods that are used to bench a system but since they are synthetic they are/arent place holders for how they will perform in real world scenarios. Gaming is used as one of those real world scenarios.

We can bench excel formula's if you prefer...compressing or extracting files etc. Its your thread OP. Ask for the information that is relevant to you and it will follow suit as you have many passionate individuals that are willing to give you data to use for reference in your purchasing decision


Actually, I was just posting my conclusions...of course, I'd love to be proven wrong, but as of yet, I haven't seen anyone give any realistic data that shows AMD to be a good option in any sense, especially when it comes to getting a new socket type, since when you're coming from AM3, then AM3+, FM2, or LGA all represent an on par investment. Now if you spent $100 or so on an AM3+ motherboard and want to drop a new CPU in it, obviously there will be some savings (of course the same can be said for LGA). But at some point every one has to upgrade sockets, so it's universal. I mean, you're definitely not going to run a 125w or 220w processor on a 95w socket....so even within the same socket there can be reason to need to change motherboards.
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Actually, I was just posting my conclusions...of course, I'd love to be proven wrong, but as of yet, I haven't seen anyone give any realistic data that shows AMD to be a good option in any sense, especially when it comes to getting a new socket type, since when you're coming from AM3, then AM3+, FM2, or LGA all represent an on par investment. Now if you spent $100 or so on an AM3+ motherboard and want to drop a new CPU in it, obviously there will be some savings (of course the same can be said for LGA). But at some point every one has to upgrade sockets, so it's universal. I mean, you're definitely not going to run a 125w or 220w processor on a 95w socket....so even within the same socket there can be reason to need to change motherboards.

It must be the lack of lunch here, but I dont understand your statement in the slightest

If you dont see the information your looking for, then be specific. Is the socket your referring to EOL? still in development? budget? location? focus of machine? All of these things are your bottom line, not vendor then what application to use with it.

If your looking for longevity then perhaps the thread title should be changed. LGA 1366 has proven to be a long lasting iteration as the X5650 upgrade to the 9X0 users is keeping them alive and ahead of the game 6 years later and likely to shoot for another 2-3 depending on how the industry goes.

Are you measuring time used / amount invested?
    
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It must be the lack of lunch here, but I dont understand your statement in the slightest

If you dont see the information your looking for, then be specific. Is the socket your referring to EOL? still in development? budget? location? focus of machine? All of these things are your bottom line, not vendor then what application to use with it.

If your looking for longevity then perhaps the thread title should be changed. LGA 1366 has proven to be a long lasting iteration as the X5650 upgrade to the 9X0 users is keeping them alive and ahead of the game 6 years later and likely to shoot for another 2-3 depending on how the industry goes.

Are you measuring time used / amount invested?
Save your breath. His holier than thou stance is sickening enough. He has no desire at all to have a rational debate. Purpose one: Bash AMD. Pure and simple. Some of the best with the FX8350/9370/9590 have spoken up and he still clings to such a small minded debate, changing the rules to an even smaller node to make his claim seem still valid.
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It must be the lack of lunch here, but I dont understand your statement in the slightest

If you dont see the information your looking for, then be specific. Is the socket your referring to EOL? still in development? budget? location? focus of machine? All of these things are your bottom line, not vendor then what application to use with it.

If your looking for longevity then perhaps the thread title should be changed. LGA 1366 has proven to be a long lasting iteration as the X5650 upgrade to the 9X0 users is keeping them alive and ahead of the game 6 years later and likely to shoot for another 2-3 depending on how the industry goes.

Are you measuring time used / amount invested?

No it's not even about the socket at all.....especially, as I pointed out, if you're already in line for a new socket type regardless of whether it's AMD or Intel. So socket type is pretty much inconsequential. Although, I am seeing more staying power in Intel sockets rather than AMD.

In fact, even being with AMD all of these years, I find that unless you plan on upgrading within 2 years of a sockets release, you're not going to really have an upgrade path much beyond that, and have to buy a new motherboard. And getting something on release is a best case scenario, so that time can be even shorter.
Edited by AMDATI - 3/4/14 at 3:26pm
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pending resolutions, specific titles and more obviously. Your right, its not all about gaming but this is overclock.net and gaming is just used a method to see which components perform at what levels. There are other methods that are used to bench a system but since they are synthetic they are/arent place holders for how they will perform in real world scenarios. Gaming is used as one of those real world scenarios.

We can bench excel formula's if you prefer...compressing or extracting files etc. Its your thread OP. Ask for the information that is relevant to you and it will follow suit as you have many passionate individuals that are willing to give you data to use for reference in your purchasing decision


Actually, I was just posting my conclusions...of course, I'd love to be proven wrong, but as of yet, I haven't seen anyone give any realistic data that shows AMD to be a good option in any sense, especially when it comes to getting a new socket type, since when you're coming from AM3, then AM3+, FM2, or LGA all represent an on par investment. Now if you spent $100 or so on an AM3+ motherboard and want to drop a new CPU in it, obviously there will be some savings (of course the same can be said for LGA). But at some point every one has to upgrade sockets, so it's universal. I mean, you're definitely not going to run a 125w or 220w processor on a 95w socket....so even within the same socket there can be reason to need to change motherboards.

I have submitted ample proof contrary to your beliefs. The fact that you refuse to accept reality doesn't detract from their validity smile.gif.

You have made blatantly incorrect statements that are unsupported by the numbers and have done so in an inflammitory way. The purpose of doing this is very questionable.
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