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I heavily believe in the Professionalism Initiative, take that away and a lot of the prominent members would go elsewhere and we would have very little influence to correct misinformation. I certainly do not come here to try and learn from others that cant conduct themselves in proper fashion. Just my opinion though...

Hopefully the new mods can be the relief from the ball pen
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post #242 of 1593
I think what OP needs to understand is there are millions who buy Intel and millions who buy AMD tongue.gif in this thread users have said why they like Intel/AMD for all various reasons. Both companies are competitive, both companies sell and both companies pump out different features that suits them to different tasks. E.g. our new APUs really do enjoy OpenGL and HSA acceleration.

Just like there are with AMD and nVidia graphics.


Just be open to the idea that AMD do have a place, user's have kindly enough posted articles, their own testing and personal opinions. I get corrected or pointed to in directions loads of times and I am grateful. I've learnt a lot of this awesome community biggrin.gif
post #243 of 1593
For mid-high end, Overall it just makes more sense for the average gamer/techie on here to get Core i5 or Core i7 over AMD. I wish AMD was more of a contender, but the intel chips just seem better.

For me its not about bashing at all, but i read the benchmarks and in gaming its dissapointing for AMD alot of the time. I love competition in this field, keeps things interesting.

I thought the old Phenom 2 and athlon 2 lines were awesome! like how you could overclock them so much and those triple cores you could unlock to quad.
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While I appreciate that certain mods may be viewed as slightly biased at times, this is not the place to talk about it. If you would like to discuss it further then please feel free to PM me or another moderator.

Keep it on-topic. Thanks guys. smile.gif
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post #245 of 1593
More to my point about what difference does it make and what the build's use is. For I think this, while just one example, for my purposes, illustrates my point:



Of course the Intel is faster and this is only one scenario. But if your a gamer mostly and do some other things on the side and, then really, what's the huge difference here? Yeah, Intel clearly won....by little more than a frame or two. So, like I said, for me, someone who enjoys building machines, tweaking and benching and messing with video from time to time, AMD is definitely not a bad choice. I have the means, so I choose intel for now, but that is by no means a reason to suggest that AMD has no place in the high end.
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post #246 of 1593
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Originally Posted by LancerVI View Post

More to my point about what difference does it make and what the build's use is. For I think this, while just one example, for my purposes, illustrates my point:



Of course the Intel is faster and this is only one scenario. But if your a gamer mostly and do some other things on the side and, then really, what's the huge difference here? Yeah, Intel clearly won....by little more than a frame or two. So, like I said, for me, someone who enjoys building machines, tweaking and benching and messing with video from time to time, AMD is definitely not a bad choice. I have the means, so I choose intel for now, but that is by no means a reason to suggest that AMD has no place in the high end.

He's horribly GPU bound. Are you saying neither CPU is capable of more than 75fps?

I see what you're getting at, but it's the equivelant of taking a gtx750ti against a 290x, playing starcraft 2 on low settings and then saying look, they both had the same FPS. You test a GPU in GPU bound situations (maxing settings, raising resolution, throwing in AA etc, while making sure CPU is not holding back performance) and this tells you the performance difference between those two parts if and when they will hold you back

and likewise you test a CPU in CPU bound situations, with a powerful GPU, lowering settings if need-be. This tells you the performance difference between those parts if and when they will hold you back, too.

You can assume one part to be adequate for one task, for example achieving 75fps, where the GPU limit is with these exact settings and parts on this benchmark run, but you can do that for anything. If a stronger part such as a 290x does not perform better than a 750ti because you're not allowing either to perform to their maximum capacity due to other factors, it does not say much about the parts, only about your needs and how you are using the system.

For an example of that, if both CPU's can achieve 75fps where you are GPU limited, that does not mean that performance limits with a sufficient GPU wouldn't be 100 vs 150fps. FPS is also not guaranteed to stay the same - that 100 vs 150 could easily become 50 vs 75, for example. That's why it does not really make sense to artificially GPU limit yourself by using 1440p on max settings with a graphics card that can't handle it on a CPU review.
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post #247 of 1593
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Of course the Intel is faster and this is only one scenario. But if your a gamer mostly and do some other things on the side and, then really, what's the huge difference here? Yeah, Intel clearly won....by little more than a frame or two. So, like I said, for me, someone who enjoys building machines, tweaking and benching and messing with video from time to time, AMD is definitely not a bad choice. I have the means, so I choose intel for now, but that is by no means a reason to suggest that AMD has no place in the high end.

When there's close to no difference it's usually a GPU bound situation. When you're not GPU bound, what do you think happens? Thief just came out, have you seen how poorly AMD performs in it?

A non flagship locked IVY i3 (Not haswell) beat a 4.5GHz FX-8350. A 2.5GHz 4770k equals that 4.5GHz FX-8350.

Those two facts provide clear evidence to back up Alatar's argument of performance that's all over the place. In the best possible scenario vishera can keep up, in the worst scenario it gets completely destroyed. Why not just get the processor that always offers good performance? Other than "the feels" AMD loyalists here have no argument to support anything against these facts.

"The FX-8350's CPU scaling results showed that it responds well to overclocking with a 13% overclock producing a 13% increase in frame rate. That said, even at 4.50GHz with 53fps the FX-8350 was still slower than a Core i3 processor clocked at 3.3GHz, which is highly disappointing."

"The 2.5GHz Core i7-4770K was able to match the 4.5GHz FX-8350, which shows just how superior Intel's core efficiency is right now."






http://www.techspot.com/review/787-thief-benchmarks/page4.html
post #248 of 1593
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When there's close to no difference it's usually a GPU bound situation. When you're not GPU bound, what do you think happens? Thief just came out, have you seen how poorly AMD performs in it? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
A non flagship locked IVY i3 (Not haswell) beat a 4.5GHz FX-8350. A 2.5GHz 4770k equals that 4.5GHz FX-8350.

Those two facts provide clear evidence to back up Alatar's argument of performance that's all over the place. In the best possible scenario vishera can keep up, in the worst scenario it gets completely destroyed. Why not just get the processor that always offers good performance? Other than "the feels" AMD loyalists here have no argument to support anything against these facts.

"The FX-8350's CPU scaling results showed that it responds well to overclocking with a 13% overclock producing a 13% increase in frame rate. That said, even at 4.50GHz with 53fps the FX-8350 was still slower than a Core i3 processor clocked at 3.3GHz, which is highly disappointing."

"The 2.5GHz Core i7-4770K was able to match the 4.5GHz FX-8350, which shows just how superior Intel's core efficiency is right now."






http://www.techspot.com/review/787-thief-benchmarks/page4.html

Is that based on maximum or minimum FPS? I always tend to look at minimum FPS because that's what causes "lag" and issues. Maximum FPS doesn't really matter so much. If the CPU can sustain and average a good frame rate then you'll experience smooth gameplay.

Most CPUs will get dips below 30 FPS depending on what game. I.E. I play ARMA 3 and it kills my I7 Ivy, it simply cannot take everything going on in that game.
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I been with AMD since my first home built pc over 10 years ago. Excluding a couple cheap laptops anyway. I had a 990 chipset MOBO and was getting ready to upgrade to a 8 core FX. I caught a sale on a 4670k and and havent look back since. I ended up upgrading my son to the same cpu. The amount of heat those AMD s create is pretty ridiculous. I mean the mobos even get blasting hot. the 4670k doesnt even put any noticeable heat out the exhaust of my sons pc that is completely air cooled.

I really hope AMD brings something strong to the table for at least mid range. I mean kavari looks great for a HTPC. its just kinda meh on high end gaming rig.

This ^ on so many levels. I also used to be a AMD fanboy until recently. Tried out the 6-core FX procs, 4-core FX, 4-core phenoms, 2-core athlons, and currently trying out an A10 4600m with 7970m graphics in my current laptop.

While AMD CPUs pull their weight in gaming for the most part, I've never had a machine run as flawlessly as my 4670k based system. So fast and so lightweight.

I can honestly say that I'll never turn back to AMD procs unless they start really competing with Intel in the high-end CPU market.
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When there's close to no difference it's usually a GPU bound situation. When you're not GPU bound, what do you think happens? Thief just came out, have you seen how poorly AMD performs in it?

A non flagship locked IVY i3 (Not haswell) beat a 4.5GHz FX-8350. A 2.5GHz 4770k equals that 4.5GHz FX-8350.

Those two facts provide clear evidence to back up Alatar's argument of performance that's all over the place. In the best possible scenario vishera can keep up, in the worst scenario it gets completely destroyed. Why not just get the processor that always offers good performance? Other than "the feels" AMD loyalists here have no argument to support anything against these facts.

"The FX-8350's CPU scaling results showed that it responds well to overclocking with a 13% overclock producing a 13% increase in frame rate. That said, even at 4.50GHz with 53fps the FX-8350 was still slower than a Core i3 processor clocked at 3.3GHz, which is highly disappointing."

"The 2.5GHz Core i7-4770K was able to match the 4.5GHz FX-8350, which shows just how superior Intel's core efficiency is right now."






http://www.techspot.com/review/787-thief-benchmarks/page4.html
Wrong. It doesn't prove it, although it alludes to that theory being plausible. However you do realize that code/software has way more to do with it than an actual architecture? Not saying that there isn't a difference in performance with AMD and Intels architecture, having Intel with the advantage but I can tell you it isn't 50% in Intel's favor. There is always more to the scenario than meets the eye.

Edit now I see those are maxs. Well then that proves jack really.
Edited by Durquavian - 3/5/14 at 2:32pm
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