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Just make sure you check our list of boards to overclock with otherwise youll be making another thread with blown motherboard problems

I am well aware of what works and what doesn't, no worries.
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Quick google search brings up a greece site: http://www.hwbox.gr/content/244-asrock-z87-pro3-review-page6.html

4.5ghz @1.22v, the same OC they use with their other mobo reviews as well.

Doesn't really need a review like this though. I've yet to see haswell that was limited by the vrm of the mobo. It's always the temps or the voltage. At least on air / AIO that is.

For AM3+ the issue is that you'll hit stability issues or throttling because of the vrm if you're on a "bad" board.

Yes,I know hwbox (the founder is actually a friend of mine) and no, it wasn't a challenge. I know poor quality AM3+ boards won't even support octocores,let alone allow any o/c . Still there is a bunch that allows quite high clocks ( 970A-UD3P costs 84 or so for example) but you get your money's worth in o/c terms going with a sabertooth that costs 80% more. I am considering a 1150 build and if all o/c the same, then anything more expensive than any basic model that allows SLi/CFX feels like poor value in that sense.
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post #372 of 1593
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then anything more expensive than any basic model that allows SLi/CFX feels like poor value in that sense.

They really are poor value. Mobo manufacturers basically have to use all sorts of features to differentiate their boards when it comes to Z87.

Even asrock's B85 boards OC'd just fine before intel killed multi unlocking on B85.

Haswell's fivr is also part of what makes really cheap gigabyte OC boards possible again. I bought my XOC for under 200 and it's considered the best performing board on the market even though there are ones with better VRMs out there. (memory OCing is what makes the XOC shine in this case)
 
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post #373 of 1593
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I personally don't need the extra features in most higher end AMD boards. I'm happy with 2 ram slots instead of 4 (2x4GB is more than enough RAM) and if you try to mix different brands together across 4 slots you can end up with bugs, so upgrading from 2 sticks to 4 isn't really all that good in practice, making the extra slots less worthwhile. I don't need 8 USB or SATA slots, optical ports, firewire, stuff like that.....so I tend to prefer the $40 boards....which obviously aren't going to overclock well, and will generally have other issues....and as said....won't even run 8 core processors. 125w and higher boards, generally cost in the $80+ range.
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post #374 of 1593
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lol The correlation between benchmarking/overclocking and real world becomes quite evident doesn't it?

Only if we are talking about benchmarking things / software that has no real world use. Like pure CPU frequency.

The benchmarking I've referenced in this thread just means testing how well a piece of real world software runs.

There's a clear difference between the two. I love doing the 1st one as hobby but the 2nd one is what really matters to people when they consider their computer a tool to complete some task.

Agree ! wheee.gif
That's a part of my point about benchmarks in general, they aren't nearly as important as how happy a person is with their rig during everyday use.

Even when FPS are measured, it only tells a part of the story and the machines in those reviews operate in a sterile environment. This is absolutely essential for a valid benchmarking test, and absolutely impractical in everyday use.
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I'm an AMD guy because I like their HSA idea...but there is no reason your 760k should feel faster or anything compared to that 3770. Either you had a bad OC with the 3770 and windows let you get away with it by compensating (AKA being more forgiving about missed call/instructions which would give the feeling of a slower computer), bad memory settings(dual vs single), or a crappy board(low SATA or PCIe bandwidth) or something else.

you're not going to notice a difference between dual or single..in benchmarks sure.
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Every i5 / i7 buyer gets a flying pink hippo for free with their purchase. It flies out to do my groceries every Wednesday.

It's real and it's present while I type this post.
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What a brilliant marketing strategy. I gotta give props to Intel for giving away free hippopotami. I bet they will change their logo to pink too...
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Every i5 / i7 buyer gets a flying pink hippo for free with their purchase. It flies out to do my groceries every Wednesday.

It's real and it's present while I type this post.
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What a brilliant marketing strategy. I gotta give props to Intel for giving away free hippopotami. I bet they will change their logo to pink too...

HOW BOUT THEM HUSKERS! Great day for both basketball teams eh?
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Interesting thread we got here.
For the whole Mobo OC thingy, I got my Athlon 750k to 4.5ghz on a 60 dollar mobo (MSI fm2 a75ma e35) and Ive gotten 4.8ghz on 2 core.
Performs fast enough for me to be happy and faster than I would expect an 80$ cpu.
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post #379 of 1593
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Here goes a series of side by side video benchmarks of the I7 4770K and the 9590......and there are some pretty significant differences:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGkCFXR_9E

While the i7 wins in every test, the 9590 is still more expensive than the 4770K.

In the crysis 3 benchmark, the min FPS is of particular concern.....with the 4770K getting 44fps min, and the 9590 getting 29fps min. That's a pretty substantial difference. The i7 also had an average FPS just above a 60fps vsync....while the 9590 couldn't even deliver an average FPS at vsync rates at all.

Now think about how this translates into future performance even just 1 year from now, or even just 2. That 29fps min gradually falls to 18fps, then 12fps and so on. That average FPS goes from 50 to below 30.

With the pevalance of SSD's I would consider benchmarks to be on more relevant ground, since they negate the differences. But it's not what the benchmark numbers tell us that matter so much, it's how they perform in relation to each other. You might not see X score in the real world with either system, but what you will most likely see is they will be similarly apart in the real world as they are in benchmarks.....with the exception of the task relying on another component such as gaming, because gaming relies mainly on the GPU.....but as you can see, the CPU can also matter greatly in helping to churn out a meaningful performance difference.

I'd consider 44fps min unacceptable, even with an avg. fps of 63. But 29fps? Heck, I wouldn't even bother to play at that frame rate (of course you could always lower quality settings....but no one likes to do that).

Now if the 9590 is performing this way, then the $150-$200 8xxx's are going to perform even worse.

And these tests were done with a GTX 780 3GB, which is a $500 card, one of the top cards on the market in raw power. So lesser cards with lesser GPU's, will obviously have even lesser performance now and in the future.

Like I pointed out before....even something that costs 17% more, but delivers 30% more performance, IS a better price to performance ratio product than the other.
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Can we cite actual references please?
    
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