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Real world experience: Last night I used the ICC patch for the first time and found intel malware all over the place. Cinebench, IBT AVX, OCCT, AMD video card drivers, windoze, most of the games, Steam..............

I have been using the bulldozer Conditioner for some time and it makes a noticeable difference, and now this. It is a wonder AMD is competitive at all with this going against it.

Technology is a dirty business.

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post #492 of 1593
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Real world experience: Last night I used the ICC patch for the first time and found intel malware all over the place. Cinebench, IBT AVX, OCCT, AMD video card drivers, windoze, most of the games, Steam..............

I have been using the bulldozer Conditioner for some time and it makes a noticeable difference, and now this. It is a wonder AMD is competitive at all with this going against it.
Well IBT does stand for Intel burn test and AVX is an Intel library.

Not sure if library is the correct term hre but is Intel's.
Edited by Durquavian - 3/12/14 at 8:40am
post #493 of 1593
This Trolltel malware goes back a long time.

IL2 Sturmovik has it.

Half Life 2 (2004) has it.

I have 2 games on the same engine, one from 2003 and the other from 2007 and the old one is clean but the other one has the malware.
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Real world experience: Last night I used the ICC patch for the first time and found intel malware all over the place. Cinebench, IBT AVX, OCCT, AMD video card drivers, windoze, most of the games, Steam..............

I have been using the bulldozer Conditioner for some time and it makes a noticeable difference, and now this. It is a wonder AMD is competitive at all with this going against it.
I've read about the BD Conditioner but never heard of an ICC patch. What is it, if somebody can explain?? And how do I use it, I have Win8 Pro running on 8150.
    
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Of course most applications are going to be coded using Intel's compiler and libraries, the simple fact Intel sells far more CPU's than AMD. AMD is a minority and has to deal with the disadvantages that come with that.
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Read this thread starting with this post.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/31810#post_21931714

Basically Trolltel puts a file in there that checks if it is an trolltel cpu or not. If it is it gets the good stuff. If it is not it gets the bad stuff.

The ICC Patch disables that cpu check so all cpu's get the good stuff.

If Trolltel was a person like it claims he would be in prison.
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Well I cant claim to know the nuances or subtleties of what CPU's really do, i just know they do a lot of basic level functions and sorta help everything work together. The question thats been asked is whether or not AMD is a viable choice for mid -high end, Realistically, I only know what I use my PC for. I do however get bored and like to try really silly things, like respond to posts here, hah!

I was thinking about what made me feel my machine is considered high end, or better than an average desktop, and the answer I came up with was "how much it is capable of". So in an effort to see exactly WHAT it IS capable of, I decided to run firestrike extreme. I got 5996, a respectable result IMO ( http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1855847 )

I then decided, for reasons known only to me, that I wanted to try firestrike extreme again. with 3 youtube videos buffering and playing in my other monitor. and running a system scan with my antivirus. to see how it impacted performance. I still got 4707, I think thats damn impressive ( http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1855932 ) If that doesn't qualify ALL of my components (HD, CPU, GPU's, RAM, Motherboard) as high end then i really don't know what does; the average desktop would lag out and choke with much less.

And just because I don't like being called a liar, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_2I_VujSH0&feature=youtu.be I recorded the last test and both monitors, showing everything running simultaneously. If you need more than this from a cpu, you need custom equipment. I really dont care what cpuboss and passmark etc software says; Those are real life results of things I can DO if i need to. 3 videos, playing while buffering, antivirus scan, and still keeping firestrike extreme around 30 fps average? THAT is what a 3000 dollar computer is for wheee.gif
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Of course most applications are going to be coded using Intel's compiler and libraries, the simple fact Intel sells far more CPU's than AMD. AMD is a minority and has to deal with the disadvantages that come with that.

Actually MS virtual studio compiler is much more widely used than ICC. Also, I just don't understand where Alatar's notion that "i5-4670k is comparable to multithreaded scenarios with a 8350" comes from. In true multithreaded scenarios an i5-4670k is one cut below and it shouldn't even be a matter of debate. There's a reason why 4770k is the best of both worlds.
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Also, I just don't understand where Alatar's notion that "i5-4670k is comparable to multithreaded scenarios with a 8350" comes from. In true multithreaded scenarios an i5-4670k is one cut below and it shouldn't even be a matter of debate.

my 4770k with HT off is faster than my friends 8350 (my air vs his water) when he tested, which is the video encoder that basically everyone uses (packaged with handbrake etc)

As far as encoding goes, 8350 and 3770k were pretty much rivals. Haswell gained literally 15% IPC though for that encoder (thank avx2) and 4670k on air will clock at least as well as 3770k did. That puts 3770k/4670k/8350 quite close together with 4770k a bit of a leap ahead at added cost

It did pretty well in 2012 but it's not some clear step above any more.
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my 4770k with HT off is faster than my friends 8350 (my air vs his water) when he tested, which is the video encoder that basically everyone uses (packaged with handbrake etc)

As far as encoding goes, 8350 and 3770k were pretty much rivals. Haswell gained literally 15% IPC though for that encoder (thank avx2) and 4670k on air will clock at least as well as 3770k did

Then it either uses biased compiler or it isn't fully multithreaded, simple as that.
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