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As for upgrading CPU's, I personally think even double the performance of what you're replacing really isn't enough to justify it unless it's for professional reasons. triple the performance is to me, a good sweet spot for the minimal reason to upgrade, and even then it has to have staying power for the years you will own it. What's decent today may not be 2 years down the road.

Three times the performance in what sense? Can't think of any recent high end cpu that has 3x the performance of another remotely recent high end cpu.
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Okay a lot of different discussions going on here at once. First to the OPs supposition based on the thread title, right and wrong. AMD processors are VERY viable options for mid range, for so called high end then no, they make no sense.

From a pure gaming perspective, if you ignore benchmarks and just enjoy pure gaming experience, the processor difference between Intel and AMD is impossible to notice. In fact only moving to multiple high end video cards on a massive multi-monitor display does the CPU difference really come into play.

The power consumption issue is another no brainer for a gamer as the difference in consumption from a typical gaming experience does not covert into more than a few dollars a month and this often could mean a few years before the extra energy cost offsets the CPU cost savings.

For a midrange system, a system that will run any game at 1080 with high detail, the truth is even the lowly Athlon X4 760 is a very viable option. Armed with a solid video card such as a 280X this chip can deliver an amazing game experience. If you want some more kick the FX 6300 give you two more cores and some extra umph in modern games for quite a bit less than an i5. Still staying in mid range mind you.
post #53 of 1593
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It would take me 2 years at your power cost (x4 my cost) to make up the difference. The only time power consumption would be a real issue if we use a specific task in a 24/7 usage scenario. If this was the case, I'm sure the general OCN member would know what processor is best for that task.

For general usage, gaming, there's no difference in the power consumption.

For the record I live in IL, the suburbs of Chicago.


Ha,ha, yes, and don't we have the best, most dependable power available?
post #54 of 1593
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Let's recap, I own both, you own neither, obviously you are the expert. rolleyes.gif

Not only are they viable, but in my opinion, preferable .

I own both:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

and unless you have a specific task that can utilize an FX better there's no reason to get one.

I mean let's be real here, the only reason FXs would be "preferable" as you say, would be if you just personally found OCing and tweaking them fun.

Other than that (for the mostly gamer crowd on OCN) you're going to get better mobo features, more consistent and most of the time higher performance, lower power consumption (= low heat output, cooler requirements, mobo requirements), etc. if you go with an i5.

Change that i5 to an i7 and instead of performing better most of the time you'll have a CPU that performs better 97% (or something similar) of the time.

Problem with FX as gaming CPUs is consistency. FXs just aren't cut out for consistency. Sure they hang with the i5s in well threaded games like BF4 and look good in GPU bound benches where every CPU made in the last 4 years is on par but once you hit a game that can't utilize many threads so well you can well have your performance cut in half compared to an i5 or an i7. That may be an acceptable thing for an AMD enthusiast but it sure as hell isn't a good value proposition.
 
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post #55 of 1593
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I own both:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

and unless you have a specific task that can utilize an FX better there's no reason to get one.

I mean let's be real here, the only reason FXs would be "preferable" as you say, would be if you just personally found OCing and tweaking them fun.

Other than that (for the mostly gamer crowd on OCN) you're going to get better mobo features, more consistent and most of the time higher performance, lower power consumption (= low heat output, cooler requirements, mobo requirements), etc. if you go with an i5.

Change that i5 to an i7 and instead of performing better most of the time you'll have a CPU that performs better 97% (or something similar) of the time.

Problem with FX as gaming CPUs is consistency. FXs just aren't cut out for consistency. Sure they hang with the i5s in well threaded games like BF4 and look good in GPU bound benches where every CPU made in the last 4 years is on par but once you hit a game that can't utilize many threads so well you can well have your performance cut in half compared to an i5 or an i7. That may be an acceptable thing for an AMD enthusiast but it sure as hell isn't a good value proposition.


Ouch.
post #56 of 1593
My 4670k is at 4.8 oc and I'm comparing the heat output to fx6300 5ghz. So I know 8 core would create even more.
I never noticed a difference in my light bill. I know it uses a little less power than 8 core but that isn't my point.

The biggest difference is heat output. The amd 990 chipsets and the fishera cpu generate a lot of heat. By a lot I mean as much as a overclocked GTX 580. It would roll out behind my tower compared to the 4670k. My usb and other cables would be heated up a lot. I have less than half the fans now. Talk about noise reduction. I cannot even feel warm air behind my case now. I am using the same h110 as I had on the 5 ghz fx6300. The heat was coming from my asus 99x evo mostly. The northbridge would get very very hot and the VRM would warm up as well. I actually swapped out the first 990 EVO because I thought that heat might be a fault.

Performances similarities and power consumptions aside. Total system heat output is not even in the same ballpark.

That was my only complaint about the fx6300 though. I mean I literally bought 2 of those for the price of one I5. I had lots of fun overclocking that chip and at 5ghz its is very fast for a $110 cpu.
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In an Intel Optimized world here performance is not the question here, 6800k, 6300 and 8350 are awesomely priced for the performance they provide
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Let's recap, I own both, you own neither, obviously you are the expert. rolleyes.gif

Not only are they viable, but in my opinion, preferable .

I own both:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

and unless you have a specific task that can utilize an FX better there's no reason to get one.

I mean let's be real here, the only reason FXs would be "preferable" as you say, would be if you just personally found OCing and tweaking them fun.

Other than that (for the mostly gamer crowd on OCN) you're going to get better mobo features, more consistent and most of the time higher performance, lower power consumption (= low heat output, cooler requirements, mobo requirements), etc. if you go with an i5.

Change that i5 to an i7 and instead of performing better most of the time you'll have a CPU that performs better 97% (or something similar) of the time.

Problem with FX as gaming CPUs is consistency. FXs just aren't cut out for consistency. Sure they hang with the i5s in well threaded games like BF4 and look good in GPU bound benches where every CPU made in the last 4 years is on par but once you hit a game that can't utilize many threads so well you can well have your performance cut in half compared to an i5 or an i7. That may be an acceptable thing for an AMD enthusiast but it sure as hell isn't a good value proposition.

My Intel rigs don't give me as good of a user experience as my AMD's , regardless of cost. Simple as that. That's where the value is. Both of my I 7 desktops are within arm's length, fully functional just waiting to be turned on yet I sit here on my FX -8350 as I do most of the time.
Some people find it impossible for me to be sincere about that, mostly because of some synthetic benchmark score, but it's the god's honest truth. My FX's are so much more nimble for everyday things, that's what sets them apart from the others ( both my intel's and my older AMD's).
I have about $400 wrapped up in the motherboards and cpu's for my 3770k/msi Z68 GD-80 and my 8350/ASUS CHV-Z rigs. The investment is almost identical.

I asked earlier but didn't see a reply, what clockspeed were you running your 4770K at during that performance test Alatar?
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My Intel rigs don't give me as good of a user experience as my AMD's , regardless of cost. Simple as that.

But if we look at real world benches like games the only conclusion we can draw is that your experience is based on some placebo effect.

Everyone can claim all sorts of things about user experience on different rigs but unless there's actual data to back that up...
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I asked earlier but didn't see a reply, what clockspeed were you running your 4770K at during that performance test Alatar?

It's an old bench, I probably also have a 4770K with HT sitting somewhere, but I couldn't find it quickly. But I think it was 5ghz or close to it. As I said, old bench, don't remember the exact details. And it doesn't really matter either, I was just proving a point with that one when it comes to the 9590.

As we both know passmark is a terrible bench in the first place (i7s get close to 2x score in integer vs. i5s for example, which obviously doesn't reflect real world scenarios).
 
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My Intel rigs don't give me as good of a user experience as my AMD's , regardless of cost. Simple as that.

But if we look at real world benches like games the only conclusion we can draw is that your experience is based on some placebo effect.

Everyone can claim all sorts of things about user experience on different rigs but unless there's actual data to back that up...
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I asked earlier but didn't see a reply, what clockspeed were you running your 4770K at during that performance test Alatar?

It's an old bench, I probably also have a 4770K with HT sitting somewhere, but I couldn't find it quickly. But I think it was 5ghz or close to it. As I said, old bench, don't remember the exact details. And it doesn't really matter either, I was just proving a point with that one when it comes to the 9590.

As we both know passmark is a terrible bench in the first place (i7s get close to 2x score in integer vs. i5s for example, which obviously doesn't reflect real world scenarios).

The only thing most benchmarks are actually good at are improving the performance of the same system at different settings.

Most benchmarks that show the FX besting I7's are quickly deemed terrible , but if you accept one bench mark as valid, don't you have to accept them all as being valid? I mean after all, the program is the same , no matter what hardware you are running it on.
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