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The thing is FX83XX was never meant to compete with the Intel 4XXX series. FX is a 2012 processor. AKA it is more fair to compare it to 3XXX processors from Intel. So I can believe it when people say 4670K is faster than 8350. 4670 is a newer more advanced processor it is that simple. However it AMD and the 8350 can be commended on the fact that the 8350 can still stick with the 4670K. It is really impressive! To be honest I find all this comparing of 8350 and Intel 4xxx just plain unfair and biased. Use 3xxx as the comparison chips. just as Miklit explained it is amazing AMD still sticks around with all the odds stacked against them. It actually says something about Intel....

As for benchmarks the problem with those is often they are not a true indicator of real life performance. Often it is only a portion of the story. Rather use a combination of benches and real life experience to draw conclusions,

I am also of the of the opinion that Intel has shady business tactics and this has been proved when they lost a bunch of law suits a while ago. Whether or not they have turned a new leaf, I dunno. The amount they lost in the law suit was probably a slap on the wrist compared to their funding.

Another thing to consider is this. Intel's R&D budget is likely equal to that of the ENTIRETY of AMD. That's CPU, GPU and Chipsets. But who has been responsible for most if not all the major innovations in computing in the past two decades? AMD that's who. The two main ones that I remember off hand are 64bit and "TRUE" multi core design. Intel was still using separate dies when AMD put two cores on one die. And AMD never ceases to innovate. Testimant to this is Mantle,HSA and HUMA. I am sure AMD took a calculated risk when they designed the module based processor. With their long term goals in mind they surely knew they would take a bit of a dent in the short term from their poor FPU performance. But this investment is starting to show the first signs of profitability for AMD . Mantle and HSA are starting to make waves. The future is looking good for AMD. We live in exciting times in this industry.

Where are all these excuses coming from? Its not intel's fault that amd has basically said "screw you" to its AM3+ users. Comparing an 8350 to a 4670K is perfectly acceptable
That is the thing. AMD is not saying "screw you". They are saying "it is time to move on." AM3 is an aged platform meant for the Phenoms. And continuing to support AM3 is contradictory to their long term goals. I am no expert, but this is just what I am picking up in the industry. AMD is innovating and so a new socket and platform is par for the course. If FX and APU's all end up on the same socket cool thumb.gif If FX moves to AM4 or what ever than that is cool too thumb.gif. I didn't hear people saying that Intel said "Screw you 775 users its time for 1366" when they dropped 775. Intel innovated their line up and said its time to move on. If you and other people can't handle the fact that innovation and change is par for the course and part of the industry, then you sir my friend have the WRONG hobby. Just saying how it is,.

EDIT: Dont know what happened there. Something broke my post! tongue.gif
EDIT 2: Also the comment you made is a testimant to how biased you are against AMD and you have proved it in other threads as well.
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I have to agree 1000%, IB i5 was a step down from 8350 in multithreaded work, like i said 3770k, 4670k, 8350 are all pretty close for encoding - it's just not intel's fault that AMD didn't want to release an upper-midrange CPU in 2013 or 2014


http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5135/7/amd-fx-9590-and-fx-9370-review-amds-return-to-the-high-end-market-benchmarks-tech-arp-x264-hd-501-pass-2

5.0.1 uses AVX2, right? i5-4670k still is a cut below FX-8350, at least stock. FX arch seems to not scale well at all though, 700Mhz and only gains of 0.6 of a frame.
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http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5135/7/amd-fx-9590-and-fx-9370-review-amds-return-to-the-high-end-market-benchmarks-tech-arp-x264-hd-501-pass-2

5.0.1 uses AVX2, right? i5-4670k still is a cut below FX-8350, at least stock. FX arch seems to not scale well at all though, 700Mhz and only gains of 0.6 of a frame.

x264 uses avx2 now. The encoder packaged in that 5.0.1 benchmark zip that uninformed people often use/reference (no offense meant to you - there's just lots of bad info like this) is a version from 2012 that performs worse overall and has weird quirks like lack of scaling properly and more "biased" optimization.. as they can't really optimize perfectly for a CPU that's a year away from launch, open source or not
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x264 uses avx2 now. The encoder packaged in that 5.0.1 benchmark zip that uninformed people often use/reference (no offense meant to you - there's just lots of bad info like this) is a version from 2012 that performs worse overall and has weird quirks like lack of scaling properly and more "biased" optimization.. as they can't really optimize perfectly for a CPU that's a year away from launch, open source or not


None taken. Do you have a relevant (x264 with AVX2 enabled) bench?
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I have no dog in the fight..I only own old or cheap Linux boxes and Mac's.

The general consensus of this thread is out in the real world they don't differ much, when some one brings a real world situation in it's back to benchies. I know the thread is long but you probably should have read it, it kinda helps.

Oh but I've read it,I've posted in it before even. That's my point exactly, cssorkinman stating he prefers his octocore to his i7 is a very real world situation as well.I am just illustrating that it goes both ways.

Yes, and showing an 8 core Vishera besting the competition in a single benchmark means that in the absence of a scientific measurement of the difference I see , it could at least be possible that the FX is superior in the mythical cssorkinbench wink.gif.
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EDIT 2: Also the comment you made is a testimant to how biased you are against AMD and you have proved it in other threads as well.

I'm not biased towards AMD. Have owned plenty of their processors in the past. I just tell it like it is right now and they make low end crap that i have no use for.
Then you clearly haven't experienced it for what it truly is.
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Also I don't think it's fair to say AMD has said "Screw you" because they have essentially carried over the same platform since 939.

We've had many refreshes so I think it is time for AMD to move on, and it just so happens to be their FM2+ lineup. Which in all fairness is a good thing. Can't stick to the same platform forever.


EDIT:

Yeah "Low end crap" that many enthusiasts still enjoy and work with for a main system.
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Also I don't think it's fair to say AMD has said "Screw you" because they have essentially carried over the same platform since 939.

We've had many refreshes so I think it is time for AMD to move on, and it just so happens to be their FM2+ lineup. Which in all fairness is a good thing. Can't stick to the same platform forever.
My point exactly. They are innovating, making changes.
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Where are all these excuses coming from? Its not intel's fault that amd has basically said "screw you" to its AM3+ users. Comparing an 8350 to a 4670K is perfectly acceptable

really?? how many sockets have been out since the core i series? I wish more companies would "screw" me with a long term socket

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Oh but I've read it,I've posted in it before even. That's my point exactly, cssorkinman stating he prefers his octocore to his i7 is a very real world situation as well.I am just illustrating that it goes both ways.

You obviously have not since you accused me of an agenda, posting in thread doesn't imply reading it. You illustrated your opposition to a real world scenario with a benchmark and that's the point. Personally I have never used anything that's listed in that benchmark I do however use handbrake and do renders daily the only thing you've really proved is the power of software and the reason AMD is investing in it, older guys like me understood this from the beginning SW makes the machine HW sells it.
 
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You obviously have not since you accused me of an agenda, posting in thread doesn't imply reading it. You illustrated your opposition to a real world scenario with a benchmark and that's the point. Personally I have never used anything that's listed in that benchmark I do however use handbrake and do renders daily the only thing you've really proved is the power of software and the reason AMD is investing in it, older guys like me understood this from the beginning SW makes the machine HW sells it.

I haven't accused you of anything,I quoted you cause you addressed me by explaining why I posted what I posted and it had nothing to do with you. Good thing about "scripta" is that they "manent" while "Verba" you know they "volant". biggrin.gif If you check the thread you will see me discussing 1150 motherboards and their o/c potential a while ago, on this very thread. The fact that I knew cssorkinman finds his octocore more responsive than his i7 further proves I've read the thread thumb.gif
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