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Originally Posted by Kuivamaa View Post

None taken. Do you have a relevant (x264 with AVX2 enabled) bench?

http://download1346.mediafire.com/pf1y1esf6qhg/2laifu8xqi6vz2g/x264+Stability+Test.7z

not perfect but will run, i'l give you a score in 5 mins
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post #532 of 1593
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Originally Posted by GermanyChris View Post

really?? how many sockets have been out since the core i series? I wish more companies would "screw" me with a long term socket

Do you not see the large amount of x58 users not having any issues at all? 6 years is pretty good for longevity of a platform. No one is putting a gun to peoples head to purchase the new chip
    
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post #533 of 1593
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Actually I was looking for the article, really technical, that a poster on OCN linked me to that showed the difference between SB and Haswell and there was a good increase in performance at least on paper. And it wasn't just AVX2. It was fetch/prefetch and a bunch of cache fixes and other techy stuff that was a tad over my head.

None of which implies a large performance increase, even on paper. These are the sort of evolutionary changes that are pretty much the minimum that can be expected each generation.

You generally need more radical changes than tweaking buffer sizes to get large generational shifts in performance.
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A very small percentage of people actually overclock , so stock speeds will be vastly more relevant.

For the average user, sure.

For people on a forum with "overclock" in the title, not so much.
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Originally Posted by untore View Post

There is a leap in performance after 4.6Ghz to the point that 4.7ghz and up is a whole new ball game.

I haven't seen such a leap, and such a leap would make no sense.

You cannot have better than linear scaling.
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Does

You have the wrong person quoted in this post.
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

My point is that people will make a fuss over LAME or some benchmark for software you can only use after dropping $3000+ while the chip is missing core functionality that's even provided by low end AMD chips.

Functionality that means nothing to the overwhelming majority that won't ever have a use for it.

If you use IOMMU or VT-d, then you can rule out a 4770k. Most OCers, general users, and enthusiasts will never touch these capabilities and will never miss their absence.
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

It's like telling someone they need a car because it does zero to sixty faster than the other one. But the other one comes with A/C and you can change a lot of things and tweak them.

That's a really shaky analogy. Everyone knows what A/C does, and the overwhelming majority of auto owners will have a use for it at some point.

The same cannot remotely be said of VT-d/IOMMU. 95% of OCN doesn't know what they do, and 99% of OCN will never have cause to use it, and OCN's average technical aptitude is far above the norm.
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

AVX2 is twice as fast as AVX.

Not in any real world scenario.
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Originally Posted by Kuivamaa View Post

Rule of thumb, backed up with benchmarks is that if the app is fully threaded, 8350 can and will clearly beat any i5.

This is generally the case.

Heavily threaded apps will normally be faster on an FX eight core than any non-hyperthreaded Intel quad core. This should surprise no one.
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Do you not see the large amount of x58 users not having any issues at all?

I must admit, buying lga1050 z87 on release with rumor now pointing to no chip faster than the release ones ever being released for it is a bit of a pain. Even if 4770k is good, there's some merit to not changing the socket/chipset every time you want 5% more performance
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Do you not see the large amount of x58 users not having any issues at all? 6 years is pretty good for longevity of a platform. No one is putting a gun to peoples head to purchase the new chip

Raw performance vs longevity-wise, i7-920 is the best CPU of all times in my book.Sure x58 is an old platform now, it lacks all the nice bells and whistles but my decision back in early 2009 to go Q9450 vs i7-920 (the latter had expensive mobo and ram) was the poorest I've ever made, in retrospect (well there was never a real consideration tbh, I just calculated the cost and backed down tongue.gif )
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really?? how many sockets have been out since the core i series? I wish more companies would "screw" me with a long term socket

Intel introduces new features with each socket progression. 990FX is pretty much a rebadged 790FX
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Raw performance vs longevity-wise, i7-920 is the best CPU of all times in my book.Sure x58 is an old platform now, it lacks all the nice bells and whistles but my decision back in early 2009 to go Q9450 vs i7-920 (the latter had expensive mobo and ram) was the poorest I've ever made, in retrospect (well there was never a real consideration tbh, I just calculated the cost and backed down tongue.gif )

Yeah, I made the same "mistake" with going to Phenom II as opposed to just biting bullet the first time through lol

Now those same users can simply purchase a 130 USD chip and keep in line with High End like they used to, which to me is pretty impressive. They are quite lucky to have that ability since businesses are moving on from 1366 platform
    
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Intel introduces new features with each socket progression. 990FX is pretty much a rebadged 790FX

I think 790FX lacked, Sata III, USB 3.0 and probably lots of other things.
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http://download1346.mediafire.com/pf1y1esf6qhg/2laifu8xqi6vz2g/x264+Stability+Test.7z

not perfect but will run, i'l give you a score in 5 mins

Here's a few quick runs - i've not used this source video+script before, though it should be good. Updated encoder, from the haswell overclocking thread.

M7uGHl8.png
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Here's a few quick runs - i've not used this source video+script before, though it should be good. Updated encoder, from the haswell overclocking thread.

M7uGHl8.png

AVX2 is definitely doing something. Older builds of x264 would be further than one frame per second off of a 4.4GHz 3930k.

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