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Stock FX processors outperformed the most modern Intel I7's also at stock in the same benchmark. No more misleading than any other benchmark score in my opinion.

No they don't, what benchmark? You mean the one from 2012, or one with an updated encoder?

It's not even close. I just showed you a 24% advantage for Haswell i7 clock for clock using current version of encoder. Would you like to dispute that?

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No more misleading than any other benchmark score in my opinion.

Doesn't really matter if you think this, because x264 is not mainly used as a benchmark, it's used for actual video encoding, livestreaming etc - it's pretty much the best out there for that and many millions use it on a daily basis. That's why it's relevant and important. How is it misleading?

This says flat out, if you can live encode say 1920x1080@30fps using med preset for example on a vishera, if you have an i7 at the same clock then you can raise that to ~37.5.

Alternately, you could do an encode that took three hours on Vishera in two hours and 25 minutes on i7, at the same clock.

^I'm not here to rant about i7 being better. I'm here to dismiss the barbaric claim that 4670k is significantly slower than FX in x264. That's simply not true.
Edited by Cyro999 - 3/16/14 at 9:37am
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post #592 of 1593
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Stock FX processors outperformed the most modern Intel I7's also at stock in the same benchmark. No more misleading than any other benchmark score in my opinion.

No they don't, what benchmark? You mean the one from 2012, or one with an updated encoder?

It's not even close. I just showed you a 24% advantage for Haswell i7 clock for clock using current version of encoder. Would you like to dispute that?

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No more misleading than any other benchmark score in my opinion.

Doesn't really matter if you think this, because x264 is not mainly used as a benchmark, it's used for actual video encoding, livestreaming etc - it's pretty much the best out there for that and many millions use it on a daily basis. That's why it's relevant and important. How is it misleading?

This says flat out, if you can live encode say 1920x1080@30fps using med preset for example on a vishera, if you have an i7 at the same clock then you can raise that to ~37.5.

Alternately, you could do an encode that took three hours on Vishera in two hours and 25 minutes on i7, at the same clock.

Or if the workload was like pov ray you could finish it faster with a stock clocked 9370 than a 4770k - for the vast majority of people who don't overclock.

^I'm not here to rant about i7 being better. I'm here to dismiss the barbaric claim that 4670k is significantly slower than FX in x264. That's simply not true.

If the workload is similar to pov ray the vast majority of people who aren't overclockers could finish it faster with a 9370 than a 4770k.
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This thread is all over the place. Why won't it die already?

Because people haven't realized that this was about AMD being a viable option. It's been turned into a "How much longer do I wait for encoding with AMD" thread.
AMD is as viable as any other product on the market. The main argument here is, Intel gets better numbers, takes less time. While AMD is slightly cheaper, gets less numbers, and takes a little longer.

No matter what anyone says, I love my Athlon 750k to death. I've OCed it to i5 levels and it only cost me 80$.
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Because people haven't realized that this was about AMD being a viable option. It's been turned into a "How much longer do I wait for encoding with AMD" thread.

The only reason it's a topic is because more than a few people made claims of FX being faster in this regard, which i believed to be incorrect and backed up with benchmarks and discussion. Nobody challenged that - that's what that discussion was about. I'm not here to talk about what defines stock speeds, etc. Hf thumb.gif
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Because people haven't realized that this was about AMD being a viable option. It's been turned into a "How much longer do I wait for encoding with AMD" thread.
AMD is as viable as any other product on the market. The main argument here is, Intel gets better numbers, takes less time. While AMD is slightly cheaper, gets less numbers, and takes a little longer.

No matter what anyone says, I love my Athlon 750k to death. I've OCed it to i5 levels and it only cost me 80$.

Actually that would be an interesting comparison. You say to "I5 levels", be good to see if we can get some benchmarks from you biggrin.gif

I could too as I have an Athlon 760K.


That'll be interesting if your claim is true.
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Actually that would be an interesting comparison. You say to "I5 levels", be good to see if we can get some benchmarks from you biggrin.gif

I could too as I have an Athlon 760K.


That'll be interesting if your claim is true.

I don't have all these benchmarks that everyone else does, but I do have passmark and the highest I've gotten is in the mid 5000s. Compare it to the cheapest i5 on newegg and I think I got my moneys worth. i5 3350p cost more than twice mine. I don't know if I would pay that much more for about 600 points more on a bench mark. I wouldn't be surprised if I could get a higher score, but my mobo is a cheap 60$ crap and stops me from getting past 1.52 volts. So I'm stuck at 4.5ghz. Pic below is from a 4.6ghz run. (it was highly unstable)


EDIT: I got this CPU knowing exactly what it was capable of, compared to other CPUs near its price range, it was amazing. Sure I have to wait a little longer while I handbrake a video and maybe I might lag behind on some games, but 80$ is a crazy price point for a CPU that meets most games recommended requirements.
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I don't have all these benchmarks that everyone else does, but I do have passmark and the highest I've gotten is in the mid 5000s. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Compare it to the cheapest i5 on newegg and I think I got my moneys worth. i5 3350p cost more than twice mine. I don't know if I would pay that much more for about 600 points more on a bench mark. I wouldn't be surprised if I could get a higher score, but my mobo is a cheap 60$ crap and stops me from getting past 1.52 volts. So I'm stuck at 4.5ghz. Pic below is from a 4.6ghz run. (it was highly unstable)


EDIT: I got this CPU knowing exactly what it was capable of, compared to other CPUs near its price range, it was amazing. Sure I have to wait a little longer while I handbrake a video and maybe I might lag behind on some games, but 80$ is a crazy price point for a CPU that meets most games recommended requirements.

I know people will probably bang on at these chips and us for saying it but I do agree.

Yes I know price isn't everything and can't come into the equation but I do agree. I got the 760K knowing what I was capable of and it is an outstanding CPU for the price range it is in.

I tried out that x264 encoding program and got exactly half the FPS of the FX-8320 (I think), mine is overclocked to 4.6Ghz.


Also, just because, I'll post mine up.


Edited by mikeo01 - 3/16/14 at 12:20pm
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Some Passmark scores for comparison, here's a i5-2500k @ 4.8ghz:










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My friend Ramenspazz got better score. So far corrected to 4.5ghz linearly (because results range from 4400 to 4765mhz)

~7.28fps for 3930k
~6.1fps for 4770k
~5.18fps for 4670k
~5.11fps for 8350

That puts 8350 at 100% performance
4670k at 101.4% performance
4770k at 119.4% performance
3930k at 142.5% performance
(at the same clock speed)
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