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well this has been the case at least after the sandy bridge launch, if not even before that. however anyone claiming fx8320 isn't a good CPU for money even after considering power consumption is dead wrong, i personally do not care much about power consumption(it will be nasty after overclocking in any case), or if the cpu is $100 more expensive, i care about performance.

you have to accept that the products you buy isn't perfect and that different products is good for different things, some products is of course useless for almost everything even for the price.
    
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post #602 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Cyro999 View Post

My friend Ramenspazz got better score. So far corrected to 4.5ghz linearly (because results range from 4400 to 4765mhz)

~7.28fps for 3930k
~6.1fps for 4770k
~5.18fps for 4670k
~5.11fps for 8350

That puts 8350 at 100% performance
4670k at 101.4% performance
4770k at 119.4% performance
3930k at 142.5% performance
(at the same clock speed)
Are you running this straight out of the box or are you optimizing for the run?

And is there another place to Download that run, too many popups and sketchy stuff at that site.
post #603 of 1593
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Are you running this straight out of the box or are you optimizing for the run?

And is there another place to Download that run, too many popups and sketchy stuff at that site.

That's just restart system and hit go on the batch file, no optimizes (not really anything you can do anyway, it's auto high priority)

I don't have any popups on that site, you can ask the guy in the Haswell overclocking thread with statistics to send it to you i guess but i think message is pretty clear fx~=hwi5
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post #604 of 1593
Hi all,
Could some one please let me know if there is going to be anything new from AMD that is more like the 8 core FX-8350??
I have a A10-7850K and its nice and all but I am looking for a little bit more power for video encoding.
I was thinking of getting a FX-8350 or FX-8320 but dont want to, if there is something newer right around the corner.
I am looking for something twice the strength of what I have now to cut down video encoding times.
I do have my Cpu Overclocked to 4.4Ghz if that helps..
post #605 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Justinbaileyman View Post

Hi all,
Could some one please let me know if there is going to be anything new from AMD that is more like the 8 core FX-8350??
I have a A10-7850K and its nice and all but I am looking for a little bit more power for video encoding.
I was thinking of getting a FX-8350 or FX-8320 but dont want to, if there is something newer right around the corner.
I am looking for something twice the strength of what I have now to cut down video encoding times.
I do have my Cpu Overclocked to 4.4Ghz if that helps..
No definitive plans. Although if, and it is certainly looking like it, Kaveri performs well and they get a positive response on the software side, then it is possible, although probably not till end of year at best.
post #606 of 1593
Thread locked for a while.

Some of the information being shared is good however there are a select few who keep inciting arguments and causing trouble.

I'll unlock the thread in 24 hours. If there is any more insulting, calling each other 'trolls' etc then warnings will be issued.

Take it easy guys. I've let the thread stay open for a while now because there has been some really great discussion going on. smile.gif

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post #607 of 1593
So, is there a reason why the people with Intel in their rigs focused on the x264 bench I posted (which I mentioned was older, but it's about a year old, not TWO) and completely ignored the POV-RAY benchmark?

Haswells gains in x264 and Dolphin emulator come strictly from AVX2. Excavator will be getting AVX2 so in the future that point will be moot.

However if you feel like making chip features a part of the argument. the K series Intel chips have VT-D and IOMMU disabled. Virtualization is a very helpful tool if you're actually doing work and you need access to a different OS without rebooting.

An AMD CPU has the potential to use the hardware directly inside a virtual machine. Meaning you can get 3d acceleration in a guest OS. Everything on an Intel would have to be done in software only on the CPU.

So yes, Haswell is better at x264 thanks to AVX2. It's not much better at rendering, specially when you factor in the price. It's not much better at games that are properly threaded.

I guess we can sit here and circlejerk over how much faster Haswell is in x264 because it's one of two programs I know which use AVX2.

Like running Gentoo on my A4 5000 and FX 8350 and using every single instruction in every single program and part of the OS, it doesn't always help:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ1MTA

In fact, sometimes enabling AVX2 can hurt performance. So you folks making the claim that because x264 gets an almost 20% increase in performance by enabling AVX2 and then implying that will affect every piece of software that uses AVX2 are not understanding how operating systems or compilers work.

I have seen the same thing with my FX 8350, although I do think it's more optimistic with FX because most software is compiled around Intel. But there are programs that are twice as fast, 60% fast, etc. And then there are some that are barely 10% faster.

You don't see me running around going "MY FX IS 60% FASTER AT LAME ENCODING AND TWICE AS FAST AT BLENDER RENDERING! SO WHEN FX USES ALL ITS INSTRUCTIONS IT'S TWICE AS FAST IN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!" because I know it's not true.

I saw that in certain situations it has a lot of potential. I know that if I recompile Firefox with AVX I will see 10% in Javascript benchmarks if I'm extremely lucky. So I don't go around making ignorant statements because I've cherry picked a benchmark that use the absolute strengths of a chip, including special features.

Haswell pulling away from FX means that the software has to use AVX2.

FX competing (not necessarily beating) FX means that the software uses multiple cores. 4770k and FX 8350 both have 8 threads. Do you see what I'm getting at?

I won't deny it. There are situations where Haswell has a huge advantage thanks to AVX2. However that doesn't mean that that huge advantage transfers over to all software. Even if AVX2 is enabled in other software, it might hurt performance.

I can play software tricks and make my FX 8350 at 5ghz 30% faster than a 4ghz 3930k in Blender, but I don't go running around claiming that 3930k is dead and FX is faster in everything.
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Most modern Intel processors support vt-d
 
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Most modern Intel processors support vt-d

Yes, but none of the mainstream K series processors do, which is what Intel CPUs get discussed in these types of environments the vast majority of times.

Which means, in my opinion, that if virtualization is something that's important to you, and you still want a rig you can overclock, a K series Intel CPU might not be the best choice.

I don't understand the infatuation with declaring one single CPU as the greatest thing for every single computing task. If such a thing were possible, there would be one model of CPU that went in everything from the cheapest phones you can buy to the biggest supercomputer in existence.

If you really wanted to you could even argue that FX CPUs offer something besides performance for enthusiasts, and that is the difficulty and flexibility of the AM3+ platform (I would speak for FM platform but I have no experience there) in regards to overclocking. AM3+ is very much a platform where you have settings to tweak which offer different performance. From my experience with overclocking SB, it's just a "welp I changed the multiplier now it's time to go talk about benchmarks in forums."
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