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Originally Posted by flyin15sec View Post

Your extremely exaggerating on the power usage. Yes, if you run that FX9590 24/7 you will be paying around $150 a year. (this is at my cost of $.08 / kilowatt). But in reality, most people do not run their computers 24/7. They enable Cool'n Quiet, Sleep mode, or simply turn it off. I typically use no more than 4 hours a day. For me, that cost is only about $25 a year for the CPU power usage. Most people blow that in a dinner.

Next, the price of the FX9590. Once again, just to root you down to reality, no body buys the FX9590. Those that do buy it are the rare exceptions (those that know exactly what they are buying or someone who does not know what they are buying). Typically, most well informed people will buy the FX8350/8320 instead. They are essentially the same processors. You should be comparing the 4770K to the FX8350. If you do that, well now you have your "cost / performance" consideration.

In reality, your secret costs of the FX CPU is really no where to be seen.

Haven't even read 2 posts when I read that people that buy the 9590 have no idea what they're doing. It explains my friend so much... And it explains my other friends who are getting into PC gaming, (after coming from Mac's). They are going to go for AMD CPU's/APU's as they think they're better and listen to my friend and think he knows more. BUT that's a different story and yes I agree AMD is great for beginner rigs, but I'm worried about later on when they upgrade. That's when they will listen to him and not get the performance upgrade of Intel.

Cause from my personal intake I used both the X2 and the 3220, both dual-cores at about the same speed. The hyper-threading of the 3220 makes things run faster and overall with just the two cores of the Intel, stuff runs faster.
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

For the most part, the discussion is good and insightful. Unfortunately some have issues communicating in an reverent fashion, but that doesn't mean the rest of us aren't furthering knowledge.

Agree to that..There has been some good reading in this, kinda get my daily dose around e-mail checks...Like..Especially when you pit a APU against a "high end" CPU to say it's HSA will whoop up the competition later in years..if it catches on.biggrin.gif
     
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I've owned every processor imaginable. Deneb, Thuban's, Sledgehammer. Back in the day they were amazing but im not going to sugar coat anything for anyone. Right now today amd is low end garbage. They've completely given up on even trying to compete to focus on HSA lachen.gif and APU's. What praises should i be sending their way? I've said it many times. Grow some balls and release a 12 and 16 core for AM3+ or make an AM4 socket so you can atleast compete with intel's mainstream and enthusiast levels. Why are some of you so determined to defend them? Because Intel is a corporate giant who tries to manipulate everything to gain market share? They're not allowed to do it but Apple and all the other giants are? lachen.gif
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It is really hard to take this post seriously with statements like - "Right now today amd is low end garbage." Do you think its easy to engineer 12 and 16 core cpu's for the consumer market? Are their currently any desktop applications that would utilize all those cores? Don't you think efficiency is where we are headed instead of colossal core counts?
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I really hate when people post only some of my posts. Let me show you what you missed and why your post was pointless.
So you see why you don't see that issue so much. Besides as I said, based on the min/max/avg something is wrong and these graphs go a long way to showing what it is.


The BF4 graph is iGPU but you see the same results as in the Metro bench. I am not saying that you, me or anyone will have these exact same results. Making sure that is posted again. My god I am trying to be as fair as possible here.

Using an IGP frame time to justify your claims? Are you serious? lachen.gif
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I really hate when people post only some of my posts. Let me show you what you missed and why your post was pointless.

No i saw your posts, the first one is simply a bad bench, you can check other runs of metro and they don't look anything like that. I've seen dozens of them over in the gk110/hawaii bench thread i believe. I meant to say i've seen a ton of frametime results for a ton of games and the trend that you were pointing out, as far as i know, really doesn't exist at all

The igpu one is just that, an iGPU test. The 4670 isn't dipping to 50ms frames (20fps) there - it would be ludicrous to suggest that a 4670+780ti would dip to 20fps - it's the integrated graphics component, which makes sense, given that it's the subject of that benchmark
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How is AMD "great for beginner rigs" What exactly does that statement mean? There are lots of guys on this and other overclocking forums that use AMD processors that are hardly "beginners".
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Haven't even read 2 posts when I read that people that buy the 9590 have no idea what they're doing. It explains my friend so much... And it explains my other friends who are getting into PC gaming, (after coming from Mac's). They are going to go for AMD CPU's/APU's as they think they're better and listen to my friend and think he knows more. BUT that's a different story and yes I agree AMD is great for beginner rigs, but I'm worried about later on when they upgrade. That's when they will listen to him and not get the performance upgrade of Intel.

Cause from my personal intake I used both the X2 and the 3220, both dual-cores at about the same speed. The hyper-threading of the 3220 makes things run faster and overall with just the two cores of the Intel, stuff runs faster.


I would have to say an I3-3220 is pretty much a beginners rig. Isn't it locked? This is an overclocking forum isn't it? A 6300 cranked up with a good overclock would beat it pretty handily. I won't even mention multithreaded workloads.
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How is AMD "great for beginner rigs" What exactly does that statement mean? There are lots of guys on this and other overclocking forums that use AMD processors that are hardly "beginners".

I guess AMD is recommended for beginning gamers who probably don't need high performance.
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A better question is, where is the line drawn on CPU ratings. What makes it high end or mid range or Enthusiast.

What bench mark scores determine a high end CPU? We're arguing over FPS and bench marks but that means nothing if CPUs on both sides can hit certain numbers. Sure Intel tends to get high numbers, anyone who denies this is an idiot. But anyone who overlooks AMDs price/performance is a bigger idiot. Especially for the mid range CPUs and APUs. I always recommend AMD for low budget gaming rigs or simple machines to check emails.
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Honestly, this is my opinion - take it for what you will:

Enthusiast - Intel 6 core or higher
Highend - Intel i7
Midrange - i5 / FX-8320+
Low end - i3 / FX-6300
Budget - well, anything less than that... (yes FX-43XX's I'm looking at you and your useless existence)

This is not strictly gaming, but an overall view of general computing taking all tasks into consideration
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No i saw your posts, the first one is simply a bad bench, you can check other runs of metro and they don't look anything like that. I've seen dozens of them over in the gk110/hawaii bench thread i believe. I meant to say i've seen a ton of frametime results for a ton of games and the trend that you were pointing out, as far as i know, really doesn't exist at all

The igpu one is just that, an iGPU test. The 4670 isn't dipping to 50ms frames (20fps) there - it would be ludicrous to suggest that a 4670+780ti would dip to 20fps - it's the integrated graphics component, which makes sense, given that it's the subject of that benchmark
Ok lets try this. My point wasn't actual numbers but the mobility of the graph in the Intel opposed to the AMD. But that was a quick and dirty point, but in no way changes the Min/Max/Avg point I was making. So I went and quickly looked into the Mantle thread because they have been graphing BF4 performance. Now these graphs aren't going to be exactly the same benching scenario, or I can't state whether they are.
290CF with FX 8350

290 CF with Intel SB-E 3930K

Tri fire 290X so not really helping with apples to apples but enough to show some, with 4930K:

I kind of wished they had same Graph sizes so it would be easier to tell. If anything it shows how comparable the systems are (trust me, the Mantle graphs would upset too many here) with DX11. Although you can kind of see the Intel graphs are a bit more jumpy. So I am not making this up or trying to put one in a better light than another. Again from these graphs, I think it proves the end result is fairly equal or within the ballpark.
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