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There are a lot of posts in this thread about value for money.

Well, I got my 2700K 2.5 years ago, and it has been running at 5 GHz on air cooling ever since. It was about $300 when I got it, and is still faster than anything AMD has, overclocked or not.

To me, THAT's good value for money.
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post #682 of 1593
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After a few releases by Intel the 8350 is less able to compete easily with the majority of Intel's top end but still is competitive. Your post was not devoid of inherent bias nor was it an attempt at honest fact.

Let's take a look at how things looked, back when the 8350 went out.

Initial expected price on the AMD was ~250$, actual price was ~200$.

Benchmarks back then showed the product to be performing around the same ( a bit better at multi-threaded, but a bit worse at single threaded situations) against what Intel got out 6 months earlier at the same price point (the 3570k).

Now, the difference was that the Intel part had ~75 watts TDP, and wasn't even the "best" Intel had to offer at that power efficiency (the 3770k was). It also had integrated graphics and north-bridge. The actual CPU with all those extras taken out would have about 50 watts TDP.

The AMD part on the other hand had ~125 watts TDP and was the "best" AMD had to offer at that power efficiency. The only extra was the memory controller, which in regards to unification levels is as advanced as an Intel i7 920.

Note here that I do not deny that AMD is competitive in regards to the balance between the initial cost and the raw performance, but I do mention the power requirements because energy is not free, in the end it's extra added cost. After using the system for a while you will end up with a lower total running cost on a system that draws less power (the actual savings being relative).


Regarding the performance of the 8350 against the 3770k, the AMD part was not performing all that good except on very specific scenarios. It would be foolish to release the 8350 at around the same price point. AMD would not just go ahead and release under the circumstances without doing something to attract buyers. A price cut would cut it though. Of course you could instead assume that the company stopped caring for profits that much and decided to cut the price as a "free" gift or something.


I do understand that those who went with AMD for high end need to justify their purchase, but in the end this rarely was AMD's strong point. They've always been more budget oriented (excluding rare cases like the Athlon 64 days). Well, "budget" and "high-end" don't really mix, no matter how you look at it.

If you're on a tight budget and want a relatively fast and capable system with a low initial cost you can go for an AM3+ board with a good VRM for about 100$ and then stick to it an unlocked quad-core or hexa-core for about 100$ again. It'll be fine for everyday usage of all kinds and able to give "something more" when the need arises.

Lastly you have (some very limited) circumstances in which the FX processors clearly excel, even against some much more expensive Intel parts. If you're to use your system mostly on the said occasions then there's no reason to go for Intel. AMD will not be just cheaper, but perform better too. In the end, it all depends on your needs and the associated costs.
post #683 of 1593
I'm sorry but I just can't resist anymore.
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

After a few releases by Intel the 8350 is less able to compete easily with the majority of Intel's top end but still is competitive.

Competitive in the same as a 770 is competitive with a 290X.

Meaning not at all.

At least if you meant the haswell i7s.
 
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post #684 of 1593
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Your original argument was far from a education in marketing. It wasn't about why prices eventually fall. It was your assessment of price at entry and how it competed, rather how it didn't, when infact the 8350 did and very much so against most every quad Intel had. After a few releases by Intel the 8350 is less able to compete easily with the majority of Intel's top end but still is competitive. Your post was not devoid of inherent bias nor was it an attempt at honest fact.

Im not sure who this is directed for?...
    
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post #685 of 1593
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I'm sorry but I just can't resist anymore.
Competitive in the same as a 770 is competitive with a 290X.

Meaning not at all.

At least if you meant the haswell i7s.
Hey hey, give the guy a chance to counter-argue. There's no need to shut down all windows that could justify an FX 8350 purchase. You could pretend that the year is 2013 and haswells are not out yet or something. tongue.gif
post #686 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

I'm sorry but I just can't resist anymore.
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

After a few releases by Intel the 8350 is less able to compete easily with the majority of Intel's top end but still is competitive.

Competitive in the same as a 770 is competitive with a 290X.

Meaning not at all.

At least if you meant the haswell i7s.

And yet there are benchmarks where the 8 core FX's outperform haswell I 7's .
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post #687 of 1593
There are also benches where a 770 beats the 290X.

Maybe around 1 or 2% of benches or something like that. Same case with the 8350 vs. i7s.
 
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post #688 of 1593
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There are also benches where a 770 beats the 290X.

Maybe around 1 or 2% of benches or something like that. Same case with the 8350 vs. i7s.

Scientifically collected stats wink.gif ? Not willing to allow the 9XXX's into the fray?
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Scientifically collected stats wink.gif ? Not willing to allow the 9XXX's into the fray?

Not allowing X5650's overclocked into the fray either? rolleyes.gif
    
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post #690 of 1593
FX-9000 are hungry things, I dislike them

But anyway point being I'd much rather save my cash by buying a FX-8320 than go for an I7 that costs 100% more where I am.

People may say "It'll last for years it's great value" but then I can use that argument too. I have saved money and again it'll last years.


That's how I look at it rolleyes.gif better value from the set go. The less I get to spend the better
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