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post #711 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

It's not the 9370 that generally competes with a 4770k. You need a 9590 for that.

Stock 4770K:
$300 CPU
$70 mobo
$0 cooler

stock 9590:
$300 CPU
$150 mobo
$90 cooler

Add OCing hardware to the 4770K build and the cost rises up to the same numbers as the 9590 build. Of course at this point the 9590 doesn't stand a chance performance wise.

Put your money where your mouth is alatar. You are using a $500 motherboard!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600238945&IsNodeId=1&name=LGA%202011
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post #712 of 1593
For LN2/DICE runs, yeah I would get one too lol

Why dont you ask some other members with the equipment to do a bench instead of just calling out person?
    
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post #713 of 1593
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Put your money where your mouth is alatar. You are using a $500 motherboard!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600238945&IsNodeId=1&name=LGA%202011
Specifically this one,if you don't feel like going back a page,and the reviews on it are generally regarding it as crappy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131802
Wow,my mobo+CPU was only only $259. biggrin.gif Also,if you can afford a socket 2011 rig,you wouldn't understand the point of price/performance in a AMD based rig anyways,nor should you even care.
Edited by Heavy MG - 3/19/14 at 5:28pm
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post #714 of 1593
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Selective interpretation goes both ways, mind you (ie in many applications the i7-4770k runs stock at 3.9Ghz thanks to turbo, that would make a 4.5Ghz overclock 15% increase) . In the end it is all down to personal use. Also remember,when it comes to gaming, GPU bound scenarios are very common even with CPU intensive games. Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch0mR4Evu8I
i7-3770k stock (3.7Ghz, thanks to turbo)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcMRtq1zGo
FX-8350 stock (4Ghz, no Thermal headroom available for turbo)

Don't delve too much in the specific game, the point is 1080p/60Hz gaming, very common, very "real world" scenario. Similar performance (more than 60fps both ways, card gets maxed out), same experience. AMD system consumes about 70W more- the AMD processor was a good 100euros cheaper too. There is a whole pattern (not just select select few benchmarks) that favor this cheap CPU/expensive GPU combo practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIT9uLDjZcg

A very simplistic approach but in many cases a prospective buyer would be better off with the athlon plus a beefier gpu than the 4670k and a weaker one (for the same budget). In other cases the 4670k would be better still, or even an i3 and a beefier GPU. Or the same for an i7-920 vs a FX-8350 ,yes. And this whole situation means the Athlon is very competitive in certain albeit quite common situations. Competitive being a key word here.

So, in a nutshell, you're saying that you don't need a high end CPU to play games.
Well, I never said otherwise. On the contrary, I specifically mentioned that if you're on a tight budget, you can spare some money by going with a cheap 4/6c FX. You don't need an unlocked relatively fast processor without integrated graphics for office work (APUs and cheap intels are for that), but for a budget gaming system you just pair it with a competitive GPU, overclock a bit if needed, and you're set. All that at a very attractive price.

On the other hand if you plan to run Skyrim on three 2160p monitors, with four high-end GPUs at max resolution, then the FX will be holding you back, but a 4770k will be able to keep up one way or another.


Now, some will wonder why would anyone use such a set-up and not go with something like LGA2011 (ie: actual HEDT processor). For starters, the 4770k is a bit faster than the LGA2011 equivalent (4820k) and consumes less power. But why not go for more cores (ie: 4930k)?

Well, that's the issue. When making a game you can't always split such loads to multiple cores. Even if you do it, from one point onwards it becomes so hard and time consuming that it stops being efficient or even productive. It starts becoming useless. Cores don't matter any more.

There's a reason why many over the top multi-core processors stay on the server side. It's not just the manufacturing cost (that's mostly due to the multi-processor design, the server-specific features and the industrial need for those parts). Both AMD and Intel could do desktop releases of some single socket slightly under-clocked twelve-core processors at sub 1000$ prices for quite a few years now if the competition and demand were high enough to drop the prices. The problem is that performance stops scaling in a worthwhile manner from a point onwards.
Edited by PsyM4n - 3/19/14 at 5:30pm
post #715 of 1593
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So, in a nutshell, you're saying that you don't need a high end CPU to play games.
Well, I never said otherwise. On the contrary, I specifically mentioned that if you're on a tight budget, you can spare some money by going with a cheap 4/6c FX. You don't need an unlocked relatively fast processor without integrated graphics for office work (APUs and cheap intels are for that), but for a budget gaming system you just pair it with a competitive GPU, overclock a bit if needed, and you're set. All that at a very attractive price.


On the other hand if you plan to run Skyrim on three 2160p monitors, with four high-end GPUs at max resolution, then the FX will be holding you back, but a 4770k will be able to keep up one way or another.


Now, some will wonder why would anyone use such a set-up and not go with something like LGA2011 (ie: actual HEDT processor). For starters, the 4770k is a bit faster than the LGA2011 equivalent (4820k) and consumes less power. But why not go for more cores (ie: 4930k)?

Well, that's the issue. When making a game you can't always split such loads to multiple cores. Even if you do it, from one point onwards it becomes so hard and time consuming that it stops being efficient or even productive. It starts becoming useless. Cores don't matter any more.

You'll run into motherboard limitations at that point.
    
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post #716 of 1593
I think if you want to bring the motherboard into the equation , they should have the same features for comparison's sake.

Personally, I think it's a mistake to cheap out on a motherboard in the segment being discussed here, just my opinon.
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Put your money where your mouth is alatar. You are using a $500 motherboard!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600238945&IsNodeId=1&name=LGA%202011

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why is there a 90$ cooler on the amd comparison?
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I think some of you are missing the point.

You can turn an FX 8320 into an FX 9590 by just changing some BIOS settings.

No matter what you do, you can't turn an i7 4670k into an i7 4770k.

Some of you are showing your age by not remembering the age when you could buy lower end CPU models and just overclock them into higher end ones.

However, I have to thank some of you.

This thread has basically gone "AMD can't compete on the high end!!" to "You need a 9590 for AMD to compete on the high end!" It's at least provided a good laugh.

Once you factor in price, an OCed FX 8320 looks extremely good compared to an OCed 4770k.
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why is there a 90$ cooler on the amd comparison?

Because .. bacon! tongue.gif
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