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Not one of those is 3 times. Most are just 2 times and a little bit. But you said 75 watts. Do you see 75 watts on that chart? A lot of those are stock and not one = TDP. You just keep digging that hole.

Ehm, that's the total system consumption when only the CPU is loaded. Not just the CPU consumption.

On the case of the Intel you have like 135 watts, minus the south-bridge, storage drive and the working peripherals. That's about 50 watts less. So the CPU is close to a 85 watts consumption.

On the FX 9590 you have like 315, again minus the extras. That's about 70 watts less, so the CPU is close to a 245 watts consumption.

Now, unless math changed since the time you posted that pic, the AMD one consumes about 3 times what the Intel consumes.

What the heck?
post #732 of 1593
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I think some of you are missing the point.

You can turn an FX 8320 into an FX 9590 by just changing some BIOS settings.

No matter what you do, you can't turn an i7 4670k into an i7 4770k.

Some of you are showing your age by not remembering the age when you could buy lower end CPU models and just overclock them into higher end ones.

However, I have to thank some of you.

This thread has basically gone "AMD can't compete on the high end!!" to "You need a 9590 for AMD to compete on the high end!" It's at least provided a good laugh.

Once you factor in price, an OCed FX 8320 looks extremely good compared to an OCed 4770k.

Many of us were around tongue.gif
I'm well aware of the 1700+ DLT3C or the 2100+ AIUHB. These were fully multiplier unlocked, performance parts at bargain prices.

If I wasn't living close to three Microcenters, sure, price would be a much stronger motivator. But at the moment, I save easily $75-100 over other non-Microcenter buyers. It may not be a reality to some, but it is very much a reality to me (and my wallet).

$250-$275 for a CPU/mobo combo has been possible for both my Lynnfield and current Haswell builds. My last AMD build was a tray Opteron146 and Ultra-D (add the VC-RE into the cost) and it ran me, similarly, $250-$275. It's a price range I am most comfortable buying at.

For me to switch back, I would need *performance* to increase at that price range. That means at minimum, AMD needs to update their lineups with Steamroller based three and four module chips, so the IPC improvement is seen in the entire lineup.
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With the PS4 and Xbox One going the AMD route and since both of them have 8 core CPUs, gaming is going to start using more cores since PC and console ports of the same game will be built with similar specs in mind now that the PS4 and Xbox One use x86. It is now easier to make games for both systems and PCs at the same time. The problem in the past is that Xbox 360 and PS3 hardware was so different from PC hardware. The PS3 used cell architecture and the Xbox 360 used 3 physical cores (6 logical) in its Xenon CPU. PC ports of games had to downgrade their system utilization a lot. Look at most big budget multi-platform games, and they have been built with consoles in mind first because that is where the money comes from. Now that every system is, for the most part, just PCs inside of a console, game developers will be able to develop games that use more CPU resources, which means that an 8 core FX 8350 will have a longer life inside of my PC. As it stands right now, games only use a few cores because of that console limitation. They can't make a game that works on a console and then completely redo everything to make a better PC game. They have to develop for the lowest common denominator. This is just my assumption but I think I have a good point here.
You do have a good point and a valid point. Some people might say that consoles have got nothing to do with PC games, I completely disagree. Which programmer is going to downgrade his efforts from 8-threads (for consoles) to 4-threads (to prefer your Intel/AMD quads)?? If I were in that place I won't ever do that.
As far as gaming is concerned, the AMD 8-core CPUs are perfectly good, they're great for gaming. Even when compared to 4670k the FX is still great for gaming, they have nearly same performance in most recent games and in other tasks that many people may do on a regular basis like compression/decompression, video encoding, encryption/decryption, etc. FX is great over there too. You can get better than this only by going with a 3770k.
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You can get better than this only by going with a 3770k.

4770k? Kinda confusing because i'd much rather have a 4670k than a 3770k for gaming/encoding
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I meant 4770k not 3770k. If it comes down to 4670k vs 8350 then it is just a matter of what you prefer Intel or AMD! But TBH, 8350 is much preferable due to higher thread-count. And why would you want to go for 4670k for compression/encryption/encoding etc if you know that 8350 has better performance at these tasks since these tasks scale pretty well with higher core count. You may want that 4670k only for your Intel preference and TDP advantage.
    
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But TBH, 8350 is much preferable due to higher thread-count. And why would you want to go for 4670k for compression/encryption/encoding etc if you know that 8350 has better performance at these tasks since these tasks scale pretty well with higher core count.

4670k performs similarly to 8350 for video encoding, i showed that recently in this thread~

3770k and 8350 were pretty much rivals there, Haswell arch and 5% speedup from avx2 support on top of other IPC gains made ~4670k~=8350 at OC

Scales well with core count yea, but 8 weaker threads with shared resources against four stronger ones that are particularly strong in certain loads, it's enough to balance it out
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4770k is an no-doubt awesome processor esp. for compression/encryption. It is almost as good as 20% better at compression/encryption as compared to Vishera (8350).

As of now AMD is just about at the edge of being drawn out of the competition due to it's top-end offerings being aged now. One more iteration of enhancements from Intel and we may not see AMD in the competition, they seriously need to come up with new and better arch and a new and enhanced platform (socket and chipset) to stay competitive.
    
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4770k is an no-doubt awesome processor esp. for compression/encryption. It is almost as good as 20% better at compression/encryption as compared to Vishera (8350).

As of now AMD is just about at the edge of being drawn out of the competition due to it's top-end offerings being aged now. One more iteration of enhancements from Intel and we may not see AMD in the competition, they seriously need to come up with new and better arch and a new and enhanced platform (socket and chipset) to stay competitive.

The 9590 is actually pretty competitive to the 4770K, but unfortunately it costs a bit more and consumes almost triple the watts, I bet they'll get everything going well in a generation or two.

AMD actually offers a better value than Intel for the mid-high price at around $150-$200, but only if the job scales well with multiple cores. That right there is competitive enough. Not enough to take the crown from Intel in other price ranges though. I do hope they make a serious upgrade to their CPUs for single-threaded performance, but with how they've been going lately it's either unlikely to happen or it's coming soon to surprise us all.

What'll probably happen instead is they'll beat Intel at making a 16-Core CPU, and it will probably beat the i5's in multi-threaded stuff even if the i5s become 8-cores.

Due to the fact that AMD also makes GPUs that out-perform NVIDIA's in a number of tasks, I don't see AMD going away any time soon.
They could probably keep everything going as it is now and still stay alive for a long while.
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Thats also when not considering options such as the X5650, then its a moot point
    
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What?? X5650?? Xeon??

The discussions concerns FX-83xx/9xxx (more for 8xxx) not Opterons, so we should not take server parts into the discussion meant for desktops. I'm aware of people using server on their desktop but those are just a handful of people. Let's stick to desktop parts only.

We should have another thread for discussion regarding Xeons and Opterons.
    
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