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Dunno, but OCN is not representative of PC builders as a whole. In the sections I hang out in thought I'd say 1/3

Then you know that 1/3 of people on here are gamers, and of them at least a good portion of them would see this thread and automatically think that their AMD CPU is no longer worthy of gaming on. When someone compares the 4770K to an AMD CPU, there is a good change that person is probably a gamer. I am not picking on him because many people think that way. People think that there is an actual difference in AMD's flagship CPU vs Intel's i5 or i7 to such a degree that it is easily noticeable when running games. I believe that PC gaming is why AMD and Intel is a household name to many PC builders. The PC building industry would be nothing without gamers. So, naturally, I assumed that people on here are going to make the mistake of thinking that they can no longer buy an AMD CPU when building their gaming PC. I know PC gamers who are very dumb and I have met some of the same types of people on here. I am not saying the OP or the guy I was replying to are dumb, but we need to back up a bit and realize that AMD has never been in it for the ultra power user who probably makes up a small fraction of the PC market, they build their CPUs for the average builder who probably plays PC games and doesn't want to spend $300 on a computer part for a toy, which is what many PCs are.

No one I know on here would think their AMD anythings are worthless because they're adults who bought what they bought for a reason.
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post #772 of 1593
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Then you know that 1/3 of people on here are gamers, and of them at least a good portion of them would see this thread and automatically think that their AMD CPU is no longer worthy of gaming on. When someone compares the 4770K to an AMD CPU, there is a good change that person is probably a gamer. I am not picking on him because many people think that way. People think that there is an actual difference in AMD's flagship CPU vs Intel's i5 or i7 to such a degree that it is easily noticeable when running games. I believe that PC gaming is why AMD and Intel is a household name to many PC builders. The PC building industry would be nothing without gamers. So, naturally, I assumed that people on here are going to make the mistake of thinking that they can no longer buy an AMD CPU when building their gaming PC. I know PC gamers who are very dumb and I have met some of the same types of people on here. I am not saying the OP or the guy I was replying to are dumb, but we need to back up a bit and realize that AMD has never been in it for the ultra power user who probably makes up a small fraction of the PC market, they build their CPUs for the average builder who probably plays PC games and doesn't want to spend $300 on a computer part for a toy, which is what many PCs are.

Im not sure what to make of this post...
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Then you know that 1/3 of people on here are gamers
He believes 1/3 of his sub forums to be Gamers. Skewed variable to be working with.
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and of them at least a good portion of them would see this thread and automatically think that their AMD CPU is no longer worthy of gaming on.
It would be popular to believe that, however luckily for the CPU it can perform more than just games, and also depends on the game.
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When someone compares the 4770K to an AMD CPU, there is a good change that person is probably a gamer.
There are a great many applications that PC's are medium of, many many more. We just like to use them as benchmarks here to simulate "real world performance"
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The PC building industry would be nothing without gamers. So, naturally, I assumed that people on here are going to make the mistake of thinking that they can no longer buy an AMD CPU when building their gaming PC
Your in the wrong forum if you think almost anyone here would read a few posts and automatically think AMD is trash for their uses. More often than not new users will create a thread asking for help in regards to building a PC and take things from there. Also, gamers tend to not spend top dollar on their PC's. From what I understand stock brokers will have significantly more hardware than a PC gamer would.
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they build their CPUs for the average builder who probably plays PC games and doesn't want to spend $300 on a computer part for a toy, which is what many PCs are.
This is not entirely accurate. Im not sure why your basing your theories entirely around gaming when that is but one task a computer can achieve. I would buy AMD today for a GPU F@H Farm and be ultimately satisfied with its performance.
    
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post #773 of 1593
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The more people the comparison applies to the more relevant it is.

Depends on the audience.
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Newegg pricing

Doesn't apply to as many people as Ebay.
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stock clocks

Applies to almost no one on OCN.
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The FX is certainly a great option for the vast majority of users.

I do not agree.

There are certainly situations where I will recommend an FX, but they don't involve the majority of users.
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I was told it wasn't a fair comparison to use a 3770k in against the FX's

I have never made such a statement, nor anything remotely equivalent.
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You are suggesting that comparing a 6 core 12 thread server chip at used prices is ok?

I didn't mention such a chip either (the X5560 is a 4c/8t part), but I do think such comparisons are valid. Availability and capabilities makes it fair game.
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That would be a bit of a stretch even for Reed Richards , don't you think?

Not at all.
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The more people the comparison applies to the more relevant it is.

Depends on the audience.
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

Newegg pricing

Doesn't apply to as many people as Ebay.
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

stock clocks

Applies to almost no one on OCN.
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The FX is certainly a great option for the vast majority of users.

I do not agree.

There are certainly situations where I will recommend an FX, but they don't involve the majority of users.
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I was told it wasn't a fair comparison to use a 3770k in against the FX's

I have never made such a statement, nor anything remotely equivalent.
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You are suggesting that comparing a 6 core 12 thread server chip at used prices is ok?

I didn't mention such a chip either (the X5560 is a 4c/8t part), but I do think such comparisons are valid. Availability and capabilities makes it fair game.
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That would be a bit of a stretch even for Reed Richards , don't you think?

Not at all.

You have every bit as much right to be wrong as anyone in the thread.
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You have every bit as much right to be wrong as anyone in the thread.

Your responses consist of strawmen arguments, loaded questions, and misattributed statements.

Either point out what you think is wrong and why you feel it to be so, or don't bother replying.
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You have every bit as much right to be wrong as anyone in the thread.

Your responses consist of strawmen arguments, loaded questions, and misattributed statements.

Either point out what you think is wrong and why you feel it to be so, or don't bother replying.

I was being polite, but since you insist.


Your position on server chips and ebay is making use of a whopper of a strawman arguement.

Alatar was upset by the 9xxx's beating the I7's and so he wanted to preclude the Ivy bridge from the discussion, you chose not to step in at that time. I was more than willing to provide comparisons , even simulating a 3570k. I did not attribute this to you directly, but a representative of the site .


An intel supporter obviously made a mistake in his price comparisons, twice I brought it to light without being specific, I would have liked to see someone at least acknowledge that it was Wrong?

My audience > than your audience - huge majority of people don't overclock.

My postition on pricing at newegg is more relevant than your newegg pricing vs ebay pricing. Because 1. The commodity being purchased isn't the same. New vs used, warranty vs no warranty etc etc. . 2. While number of people that have access to ebay may be more than newegg, but the supply of goods is limited to a much greater degree.
Your position is much weaker than mine.

At any rate , it's my belief that you are quite mistaken about the FX if you think it isn't viable.
In daily use there is no comparison as far as I am concerned , the FX is better than any Intel rig I have tried. This flies in the face of many of the benchmark scores , but It's the god's honest truth.

The truth is all I seek , this should be encouraged/
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I think some of you are missing the point.

You can turn an FX 8320 into an FX 9590 by just changing some BIOS settings.

No matter what you do, you can't turn an i7 4670k into an i7 4770k.

Some of you are showing your age by not remembering the age when you could buy lower end CPU models and just overclock them into higher end ones.

However, I have to thank some of you.

This thread has basically gone "AMD can't compete on the high end!!" to "You need a 9590 for AMD to compete on the high end!" It's at least provided a good laugh.

Once you factor in price, an OCed FX 8320 looks extremely good compared to an OCed 4770k.

It does until you want to run a pair of video cards in SLI or crossfire
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It does until you want to run a pair of video cards in SLI or crossfire

If you're running SLI or Crossfire, you probably have enough money to go Intel.
Unless you get the second one later on. In that case, your CPU is either old or it's a place holder for a later upgrade.
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I was being polite, but since you insist.


Your position on server chips and ebay is making use of a whopper of a strawman arguement.

Alatar was upset by the 9xxx's beating the I7's and so he wanted to preclude the Ivy bridge from the discussion, you chose not to step in at that time. I was more than willing to provide comparisons , even simulating a 3570k. I did not attribute this to you directly, but a representative of the site .


An intel supporter obviously made a mistake in his price comparisons, twice I brought it to light without being specific, I would have liked to see someone at least acknowledge that it was Wrong?

My audience > than your audience - huge majority of people don't overclock.

My postition on pricing at newegg is more relevant than your newegg pricing vs ebay pricing. Because 1. The commodity being purchased isn't the same. New vs used, warranty vs no warranty etc etc. . 2. While number of people that have access to ebay may be more than newegg, but the supply of goods is limited to a much greater degree.
Your position is much weaker than mine.

At any rate , it's my belief that you are quite mistaken about the FX if you think it isn't viable.
In daily use there is no comparison as far as I am concerned , the FX is better than any Intel rig I have tried. This flies in the face of many of the benchmark scores , but It's the god's honest truth.

The truth is all I seek , this should be encouraged/

Apparently we used two different CPUs. I recently had a FX8320, a kaveri 7700K, a 3770k and now a 4670k. Intel chips from my experience where always a better experience. Nothing compared to the 3770k even the 4670k is faster than my 8320. Its not just benchmarks asserting AMD is a bit slower but its my own experience that backs this up.
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I was being polite, but since you insist.


Your position on server chips and ebay is making use of a whopper of a strawman arguement.

Alatar was upset by the 9xxx's beating the I7's and so he wanted to preclude the Ivy bridge from the discussion, you chose not to step in at that time. I was more than willing to provide comparisons , even simulating a 3570k. I did not attribute this to you directly, but a representative of the site .


An intel supporter obviously made a mistake in his price comparisons, twice I brought it to light without being specific, I would have liked to see someone at least acknowledge that it was Wrong?

My audience > than your audience - huge majority of people don't overclock.

My postition on pricing at newegg is more relevant than your newegg pricing vs ebay pricing. Because 1. The commodity being purchased isn't the same. New vs used, warranty vs no warranty etc etc. . 2. While number of people that have access to ebay may be more than newegg, but the supply of goods is limited to a much greater degree.
Your position is much weaker than mine.

At any rate , it's my belief that you are quite mistaken about the FX if you think it isn't viable.
In daily use there is no comparison as far as I am concerned , the FX is better than any Intel rig I have tried. This flies in the face of many of the benchmark scores , but It's the god's honest truth.

The truth is all I seek , this should be encouraged/

Apparently we used two different CPUs. I recently had a FX8320, a kaveri 7700K, a 3770k and now a 4670k. Intel chips from my experience where always a better experience. Nothing compared to the 3770k even the 4670k is faster than my 8320. Its not just benchmarks asserting AMD is a bit slower but its my own experience that backs this up.
An opinion you are welcome to and one which should be respected smile.gif
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