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AMD is a fighter and has many advantages over Intel for people who believe that spending $300 on a CPU to do things like gaming and Youtube is ridiculous.

Dual core Haswell (3ghz) with basic iGPU = £39.99 shipped after VAT, 7850k = £130

I don't really agree with the "low end, cheap - vs high end, expensive" stuff.
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AMD is a fighter and has many advantages over Intel for people who believe that spending $300 on a CPU to do things like gaming and Youtube is ridiculous.

Dual core Haswell (3ghz) with basic iGPU = £39.99 shipped after VAT, 7850k = £130

I don't really agree with the "low end, cheap - vs high end, expensive" stuff.
Can you oc the Pentium? If so it's nice but AMD is better with threads.
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post #803 of 1593
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Dual core Haswell (3ghz) with basic iGPU = £39.99 shipped after VAT, 7850k = £130

I don't really agree with the "low end, cheap - vs high end, expensive" stuff.

I don't agree with that either, but why compare a cheap Pentium to the best processor of the FM2+ platform? Why not something like a A4-4000 or A6-6400K? Those actually compete with the pentium in the same price bracket tongue.gif just saying
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I don't agree with that either, but why compare a cheap Pentium to the best processor of the FM2+ platform? Why not something like a A4-4000 or A6-6400K? Those actually compete with the pentium in the same price bracket tongue.gif just saying

Just because a Haswell pentium is faster CPU than an a6 6400k and i'd assume those wanting an APU to go for the one with a usable iGPU for gaming reasons

The competition to a 7850k for example would be one of those pentiums + a gtx750, which would be the same price, weaker on the CPU front in multithreaded cases but stronger on singlethreaded and graphics

I mostly looked because i was interested in Unlocked pentiums next quarter.
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post #805 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Cyro999 View Post

Just because a Haswell pentium is faster CPU than an a6 6400k and i'd assume those wanting an APU to go for the one with a usable iGPU for gaming reasons

The competition to a 7850k for example would be one of those pentiums + a gtx750, which would be the same price, weaker on the CPU front in multithreaded cases but not single, and stronger on graphics side

True, I see where you're going with this now, I agree biggrin.gif
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$39 pentium? Isn't that a celeron? Regardless, both of them are too castrated.I'd take a Richland for the better iGPU and I would alleviate the ST performance (which is debatable how worse it is since Celeron/Pentium do not support AES/AVX so it depends on usage scenario) through overclocking ,personally.
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Only when gaming. For compute purposes requirements are not much, though higher bandwidth is why GPU are good for some compute tasks. HSA definitely is a game-changer but it should be widely adopted for that, let's wait and see whether HSA receives same acceptance as Mantle is receiving.

Getting back to main discussion, many have already said that AMD is definitely is still a viable option, remember that everyone needs a competitor to serve the consumers better and survive, and AMD is hell of a competitor and a fighter competing and fighting in the market against Intel in low to mid-high end CPU market and against nVidia in desktop GPU market. With HSA AMD just want to combine two of their best businesses. You have to accept it that Intel is making so much better processors only because it has competition against AMD, since performance demand is not as much as the performance that competition can bring to market. Intel cares more about power consumption, size and performance and AMD about price and innovations. Just imagine what would have happened without AMD, we would still be running the same pentium chips and development would have been snail slow

If someone needs compute, but not gaming, they'll still most likely need a fast enough GPU, which is either gaming range or higher. if someone needs just a little bit of compute, then even a low end discrete card is not only better, but also cheaper.

I'd say 4GB of system RAM, regardless of the speed, would be hard to get away with in even a low end requirement APU system. This pretty much means at least 8GB is required to assure you have more than enough memory. Windows uses 1-1.5gb of RAM, if the program uses 2GB or so, you're really left with little ram for anything else due to shared memory, even if the memory spaces are shared between CPU/GPU. keep in mind, even if you may have 512MB or so free memory, you have little swapping space for memory. So you're looking at 8GB minimum for what is supposed to be a budget system. most people will just go with the 4GB of RAM, but performance will suffer. Of course you could get away with 6GB easily, but you can't exactly put 6GB of RAM in an AMD system because it does not support triple channel 6GB chips. So here's the consumer, paying $40 more for more RAM than they need (8GB) because 4GB is a GB or so shy of being just enough.
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post #808 of 1593
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Im not sure what to make of this post...
He believes 1/3 of his sub forums to be Gamers. Skewed variable to be working with.
It would be popular to believe that, however luckily for the CPU it can perform more than just games, and also depends on the game.
There are a great many applications that PC's are medium of, many many more. We just like to use them as benchmarks here to simulate "real world performance"
Your in the wrong forum if you think almost anyone here would read a few posts and automatically think AMD is trash for their uses. More often than not new users will create a thread asking for help in regards to building a PC and take things from there. Also, gamers tend to not spend top dollar on their PC's. From what I understand stock brokers will have significantly more hardware than a PC gamer would.
This is not entirely accurate. Im not sure why your basing your theories entirely around gaming when that is but one task a computer can achieve. I would buy AMD today for a GPU F@H Farm and be ultimately satisfied with its performance.

Well said, but I still believe that the majority of the DIYers out there use their PC for gaming at least once in a while and base their purchases partly on how well it would perform for gaming. Stock brokers might not use it for gaming, coders and programmers might not, but there are millions of PC gamers in the world and without them AMD and Intel would probably have proprietary motherboards with chips already in them. I believe it is the gamer that force the standardization and interchangeability of PC parts such as the ATX form factor and the different socket types.
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I believe it is the gamer that force the standardization and interchangeability of PC parts such as the ATX form factor and the different socket types.

I think that you're going a little too far with your assumptions this time.
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Once you fall into Pentium and Celeron territory, you're talking about Intel removing features like AVX.

I personally just don't find that acceptable, when this Atom-level A4 5000 has AVX.

Pentium G is not acceptable for gaming anymore.

http://techreport.com/review/23662/amd-a10-5800k-and-a8-5600k-trinity-apus-reviewed/10

Observe frame times.

Yes, I am aware it's an older review and an older pentium, but even if you take 20% off of those frame times, it's still in the rear by a good amount. And I think we can all agree that more recent games run more like BF3 than Skyrim.

Intel's single thread advantage just isn't enough to make up for those cores. And once you step into i3 territory, there's little reason to go i3 over FX 6300 for a gaming rig, unless you really, really love Skyrim and Starcraft 2.

You can read plenty of reviews where Pentium G does fine with FPS in games like BF4, but if you actually go to forums, you end up finding out that Pentium G (even Haswell) just doesn't cut it for multiplayer while AMD does.

EDIT: it is really disheartening to see. Review sites are basically tricking some people into buying Pentium Gs, and then they end up with systems that don't pull it for gaming. Do yourself a favor and google something like "pentium g battlefield 4 forums" and get ready to see what Pentium G is really like for gaming.

You just have to get past the youtube links of people with buyer's remorse trying to announce to the internet that their purchase doesn't suck because they can play single player BF4 at 100% CPU load and 40fps while walking down an empty corridor.
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