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And I bet AMD's current Athlons feel a lot quicker than AMD's old Athlons. It's technology, it just so happens to be Intel really is the clear winner in terms of performance and AMD's a couple of generations behind.

^ Reason I am mentioning it? Because it completely depends on the work load and user needs. E.g. you probably would choose AM3+ over socket 775 or 1366. Just like now, we're comparing FM2+/AM3+ and socket 1155/1150.

Intel's ahead, probably always will be but AMD's always going to be a few iterations back. That's why we see this "gap".


Both companies offer something great, AMD develop and bring new things to the table (e.g. going full with HSA) and Intel gives you energy efficient and pure performance for example.


Neither is better than the other just like some people may prefer a Camaro over a Ford GT smile.gif there's differences.


AMD aren't slow, Intel are just incredibly quick.


E.g. I'd take a Kaveri chip over an I3 or Pentium for a mobile platform as it's got a big more umff for little bit of gaming and HSA adoption. But then an I7 seems wise for high rendering and basically tasks that need raw grunt. But for an overall chip which does the general things I'd pick maybe a FX-6300. Gaming on a budget I'd probably go for the FX-8320. Bit more money to spend I'd let I5-4670K take the crown there.

Depends on workload, personal preference, money, willingness to spend etc
post #92 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Quarazhi View Post

I wonder what would happen if we compared an 8 core Intel vs. These 8 core AMD's.

But then again the 4770K vs. the FX9590 is a draw..

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

But the benchmarks isn't exactly trusted by people in this thread.

That is pretty much how I see it. It comes down to who overclocks more as to which is better.

My 9590 is running at the stock 5ghz for now until I get some hardware things sorted out and it is almost as fast a a 4770k with a 900mhz overclock in Cinebench. It also performs well in the single thread games I play, and the multi thread games I play are GPU bound because I only have a single 280x.
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The problem i have is with people stating that the average CPU is more than enough for practically any games....... Aside from CPU bound ones! lmaosmiley.gif

That's kind of the point. If we didn't have insufficient performance in games, why would we buy anything stronger than a stock fx6300 or i7 920 for running them? They can't keep up with a lot of stuff if you're trying to get fps solidly over 60 and you need a monster of a CPU to make some games approach solid 120 - no matter how many graphics settings you are willing to turn down or how many oc'd 780's/290's you put in your rig

The only game I don't currently run at 60 fps solid is metro last light, And I'm not sure if thats a cpu bottleneck or not. But even if it is, running crysis 3, battlefield 4, borderlands 2, far cry 3, star craft 2, civ 5, skyrim, guild wars 2, all at 60 fps without a hiccup basically proves my point. I don't play sims so I cant speak for them, but the average gamer wont reasonably have a problem with an i5 if he has crossfired 7950's or better, on a 60hz monitor.

This is a FACT that I KNOW from EXPERIENCE tongue.gif

And realistically, saving 300 on a cpu to spend on another gpu will almost certainly go a lot further for your fps than going from a mid to high end cpu will.
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That is pretty much how I see it. It comes down to who overclocks more as to which is better.

My 9590 is running at the stock 5ghz for now until I get some hardware things sorted out and it is almost as fast a a 4770k with a 900mhz overclock in Cinebench. It also performs well in the single thread games I play, and the multi thread games I play are GPU bound because I only have a single 280x.

Those benchmarks aren't done with OC'ed CPU's.. And I would prefer stock..
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post #95 of 1593
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The price argument is definitely true in some cases, especially with the 8320 (I don't even realize why the 8350 vs. i5 is the go to argument on the internet...).

However it's not really as steep as it looks. The problem is that most of the time people only compare the prices of the CPUs.

And the thing with current intels is that you don't need to have a mobo as good as on the AMD side to get max out the chip. And you don't need as much cooling either. PSU needs go down by a bit etc. (and depending on your usage scenario and electricity cost per kwh power costs might be a factor as well)

So once you take those into account the comparison then turns into:

i5: low heat output, MUCH better single thread performance, lower associated costs, higher quality / better feature set mobos

FX: small amount better multithreaded performance, somewhat lower overall price

And then you have to decide which matters more for you personally.
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That is pretty much how I see it. It comes down to who overclocks more as to which is better.

My 9590 is running at the stock 5ghz for now until I get some hardware things sorted out and it is almost as fast a a 4770k with a 900mhz overclock in Cinebench. It also performs well in the single thread games I play, and the multi thread games I play are GPU bound because I only have a single 280x.



^ that isn't a per clock optimized score either. Upping cache frequency, memory frequency (both really low there) would bring a couple of extra per cent. Or you could get the same score at lower core frequencies by focusing on something other than core.

Even if you did calculate a 4.4GHz (900mhz OC) 4770K score using my poor (relative to other 4770Ks) score/frequency ratio you'd end up with around 900pts which is ~12% faster than the 5ghz Vishera score.

And you really need a dud 4770K for it to max out at 4.4.
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post #96 of 1593
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That is pretty much how I see it. It comes down to who overclocks more as to which is better.

My 9590 is running at the stock 5ghz for now until I get some hardware things sorted out and it is almost as fast a a 4770k with a 900mhz overclock in Cinebench. It also performs well in the single thread games I play, and the multi thread games I play are GPU bound because I only have a single 280x.

That score is terrible FYI, not sure how they got it - @4.6ghz my cine score is 952
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The only game I don't currently run at 60 fps solid is metro last light, And I'm not sure if thats a cpu bottleneck or not. But even if it is, running crysis 3, battlefield 4, borderlands 2, far cry 3, star craft 2, civ 5, skyrim, guild wars 2, all at 60 fps without a hiccup basically proves my point. I don't play sims so I cant speak for them, but the average gamer wont reasonably have a problem with an i5 if he has crossfired 7950's or better, on a 60hz monitor.

This is a FACT that I KNOW from EXPERIENCE tongue.gif

And realistically, saving 300 on a cpu to spend on another gpu will almost certainly go a lot further for your fps than going from a mid to high end cpu will.

A lot of those games can be adressed. Crysis 3, well threaded game. FX is up there with i5/i7, it's probably the best example for a well threaded game/engine. Bf4 - you can't maintain 120fps without mantle, not even remotely close - i've seen people on high end cpu's having a lot of frames slower than ~15-20ms, even if the FPS meter stays above 60.

BL2, FC3, not sure. I never saw poor performance in BL2 though i didn't do much in it.

Sc2 - you're delusional, can't maintain 60fps and i can prove it with little effort. Even if the FPS meter said 60, sc2 has massive problems with frametime variance.

civ5, isn't this a game with like 40% perf advantage for intel? Faster ai turn speeds etc. Not sure, not played it

Gw2 - I've heard it to be intel favored and it was painfully slow on my i7 950@4ghz at times
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Same price in my country. 23 dollar difference according to http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
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The only game I don't currently run at 60 fps solid is metro last light, And I'm not sure if thats a cpu bottleneck or not.

This is on a FX-83xx?

In Metro Last Light if you are running Very High Quality with Tesselation on High and the cpu is stock you will drop under 60fps in random areas. If you change the Quality setting to High and leave Tessellation on High the fps is going to shoot up dramatically. Also, if you make the Quality setting Very High and shut tessellation off the fps will be higher but still not as high as Quality Setting High and Tesselation High.

The second combination is best if you have a 60hz monitor. For a 120hz monitor I recommend Quality High and Tesselation Off. It's the combination of quality very high and tessellation high that causes the cpu bottleneck.

Hope this helps, I love the Metro Series thumb.gif
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Amd is for budget peeps, intel is for performance peeps, nuff said.

wait, how much is the 9590 again? Which performs on par with 4770k? And oh, have fun with your outdated amd chipset, you can't even find a good mitx mobos.

We WERE having a decent discussion until this drivel showed up. rolleyes.gif

An i5 is every bit as budget in the eyes of a high end high performance build as any 6+ core AMD FX. That's the reality of it.

The bare minimum for high end is a unlocked i7, and that to me is midrange at best. High end cpu's are the intel 6 cores. Then again, I'm used to playing with (and paying premium for) old socket 939 amd's (still using an opty 180 on my lubuntu rig, and also have my old FX-53 sitting on my desk to remind me of the glory days of AMD.
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