Originally Posted by SoloCamo
Don't understand your point? Your making the AMD owners look nuts at this point man
I like my 9590 for what it is, I really do (being free helps, too). But you have to understand benchmarks are the best thing we have to judge on general real world use aka hopefully nothing in the background, etc.
Don't think anyone is on anyone's payroll here (hopefully). The bottom line is at the mid-high end, Intel has the overall better product, even though in some cases AMD can pull a slight lead, it's easily surpassed generally with a slight bump on the intel side via overclocking. And yes, of course you can overclock AMD too, I've had my 9590 at 5ghz and even that isn't suddenlty going to smash a 4770 or 4670k for that matter, let alone if they are 4ghz+
You have to go back and read each of his posts and you will start to see what I am basing it on. Not to mention the irrational debate of benches. I have not once Stated AMDs performance outside of fact. Fact is if one has no preconceived notions or preference I would say 4770 is the way to go between it and 8350. However if one states they want an 8350 then they should know that it will perform on task and just under the 4770. I do not lie for the sake of my choice nor have I ever.
Ok so here we go again. I will give my assessment with persoanl experiences and rational claims.
Lets start with My PC. An 8350 with 7770x2. At stock setting this would be considered a mid-end rig, probably more to the low-mid-end ( for arguments sake and to make assessments easier each tier has a low and high rank so Mid-end has three inner tiers: Low-Mid / Mid / High-mid). This is not what the debate was. It was Is AMD VIABLE for Mid-to-high End
, guessing the intention was Low-High-end. Stock has some play here but this is OCN after all so we must allow for OCing and other means to attain higher levels of performance. Now back to My PC. With OCing and tweaking my PC has gone from that low-Mid-end to high-Mid-end (or atleast up to it). I am not using Mantle for this disignation. Now what is keepiong my PC from getting that Low-High-end disignation is the 7770s, their performance together is still way below a single 290 or 290X or 78Ti and so on. I make no allusion otherwise.
Now I dont see the need to bring Intel in on this outside of where the bar gets set. What an Intel CPU does at a particular price point or clock changes my PCs result none at all. But seeing how some cant do without the comparison, here it is:
The 4770 seems to be the CPU commonly used here for reference, seems X Intel series has not been mentioned or used for reference oddly enough. The 4770 is a better CPU as in more performance across the board with little exception in rare cases. But this is where context must be made and the relationship made clear. The 4770 isnt a Clear performer over the 8350, the 8350 trails but in real world results it is a reasonable 2nd and quite close. Unfortunately some here make it sound like pairing a 500k mile Pinto against a 2015 Corvette, the results would have the Corvette at a huge advantage to where the level of competition is nill in that case. Here with the 8350 and 4770 the race is much tighter. Again as I stated if no preference is made then the 4770K is the better choice minute one if performance is the factor for choice.
But again the 4770 says little of the 8350s performance as far as being able to perform as a Mid-to-High-end PC. I think it is clear from users that have posted plenty of real results backed up with proof(in other words not just saying it but proving it) that indeed it is so that the 8350 is a contender. Benchmarks are great if you are looking at plug and play and mimicking their setups, likely you will find their results somewhat accurate. But I contend that they aren't that accurate in real world assertion simply because of the number of factors involved in achieving that result. No 2 GPUs react exactly the same way nor does any 2 ram or CPUs. Even the bios on the boards can create issues for performance. Many overvolt or undervolt on auto. Beside many of these benches spend very little time and effort in making sure of 100% stability which has huge implications as the load gets higher even if only single thread.
Well that's not too big a deal. As per usual grain of salt, grain of salt. However to discount user experiences completely because of any number of issues is ridiculous. I am not talking about the AMD guy that comes in and says his CPU is better than any Intel and that Intel cheats. I am not a big fan of those, ruins it for the rest of us trying to be as impartial and true to fact as possible. But the benches I posted from users here proved that AMD can in fact perform at levels up to low-High-end, above that Intel is the sole choice, and that longevity may be in the favor of AMD and Intel so much because of Mantle and future DX implementation.
Notice I did not need to be negative about either manufacturer, I just stated the facts and without bias. It isn't that hard. Too many here act as if it was their family honor in question. They spend too much effort in bashing either side, so much so that the debate becomes bastardized. A rule I live by is if the poster uses qualifiers that have a gross negative connotation you can bet the farm they aren't telling you the whole truth. When they post benches that only show their argument in a positive light when other benches, even from the same site they posted from, show contradictory findings then it is obvious they are not in pursuit of truth but of a smear campaign. And then you know there must be something they fear you will find out or they don't want you to know. Then I advise you look for yourself and see what it is.
A post I gave in the other parallel thread to this one (same argument):
Edited by Durquavian - 3/29/14 at 7:34am
The 920 is a good chip mind you. But there are always so many variables. In the end it is how you feel about what you have. If you are content and love your setup, then it doesn't really matter what anybody else thinks. Are they gonna buy you a new rig? Then why does their opinion mean any more than a heaping pile of dung on an Arizona highway in July.