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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

That is a decision of choice rather. I get you love the chip and I am in no way knocking it, I don't like bashing or trashing anyone's choices, but It seems most of the time in here you are the only one singing its praises.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-X5650-vs-AMD-FX-8350

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-X5650-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4770

Instruction sets would be a liability to a degree but in my opinion not a huge issue. Other than that it would be a choice. Even here I would recommend the 4770 by far. But like I said it is your choice and I would rather not get into a deep debate on our opinions of it. For the most part the choice of a x5650 would in the minority of choices even below the 6350 by a great deal of users here.

You first mention that this is OCN then go on to find benchmarks at stock from cpuboss? kidding me right?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/xeon-x5660-x58-full-review-comparison-to-x79-high-end-cpus-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside-longest-post-ever/0_100#post_21639731

clearly Im not the only one, just because you have no knowledge of it, doesnt make it any less relevant.
    
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You first mention that this is OCN then go on to find benchmarks at stock from cpuboss? kidding me right?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/xeon-x5660-x58-full-review-comparison-to-x79-high-end-cpus-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside-longest-post-ever/0_100#post_21639731

clearly Im not the only one, just because you have no knowledge of it, doesnt make it any less relevant.
Well I was trying to find comparisons but it isn't easy being that is a Xeon chip. And I was trying hard not to be mean and just point out it isn't really a viable comparison. But after the 35th time you mentioned it, well it was getting old. No one was agreeing with you and a few were pointing out how it was a bad comparison. Again I am not bashing your choice, it is YOUR choice and not mine. But in a rational unbiased debate that Xeon would never make it as viable option considering its cost (ebay is not a good price comparison). And add to that evolution just within Intel, the 4770 becomes a far better choice.

Really I don't want to debate this, I am not fond of others telling me how bad a decision I made is when I feel it isn't. So just let it go and move on.
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post



Going back to the title of this thread, dealing with whether AMD is viable for high-end.

-FX is already a significant bottleneck with current-gen high-end GPUs
-FX has smaller overclocking headroom compared to Intel chips
-FX has no upgrade path


The thread is mid to high end. Not just high end. It is true that Intel is a better option on the high end. That is if you can afford the high price. In certain highly threaded workloads the 8320-8350 can compete with some I7's. Where do you get that that the 6300, 8320 and 8350 have less overclocking headroom? When they regularly can be overclocked a near GHz over their stock speeds? That is really a joke when you don't even have an unlocked multiplier on most Intel cpu's.
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Well I was trying to find comparisons but it isn't easy being that is a Xeon chip. And I was trying hard not to be mean and just point out it isn't really a viable comparison. But after the 35th time you mentioned it, well it was getting old. No one was agreeing with you and a few were pointing out how it was a bad comparison. Again I am not bashing your choice, it is YOUR choice and not mine. But in a rational unbiased debate that Xeon would never make it as viable option considering its cost (ebay is not a good price comparison). And add to that evolution just within Intel, the 4770 becomes a far better choice.

Really I don't want to debate this, I am not fond of others telling me how bad a decision I made is when I feel it isn't. So just let it go and move on.

Do you need the friendly consumer sticker on the box for you to feel its viable? I just gave you the needed information to look at for reference.

Due to the nature of this thread, those interested have PMed me directly since obviously they would be shot down here in the thread, so this point follows a matter of convenience and not based on fact.

Please do explain yourself as to why Xeon isnt viable? oh wait were going to constrain ourselves from using specific mediums because its not convenient to price/performance of AMD?

If the 4700 was 100 then sure, I would agree with you. However it is not.
    
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Evil natured thread, shooting down innocent participants. tongue.gif

More truth in that post than many of them here lol
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Where do you get that that the 6300, 8320 and 8350 have less overclocking headroom? When they regularly can be overclocked a near GHz over their stock speeds?

These parts all have more OCing headroom than the last several generations of Intel's locked parts, but in general, a K series Intel part typically has equal or better OCing headroom than an FX.

An FX-8350, which is probably one of the best values for an AMD part out there right now, is 4GHz stock, and generally tops out at 4.8-5GHz for a 24/7 stable clock, assuming sufficient cooling and a good board. This is only a 20-25% OC. The FX-8320 and 6300 look much better because of their substantially lower stock clocks, but proportionally they are similar to unlocked Intel parts.
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Well I was trying to find comparisons but it isn't easy being that is a Xeon chip.

What are you talking about? An x5660 is a Bloomfield and an L5639 is a Gulftown. You can use any D0 stepping Bloomfield quad (i7 920, 930, 950, 960) to represent the former, and any Gulftown hex core (i7 970, 980, 980x, 990x) to represent the latter. They are physically and functionally identical for the purpose of such a comparison. They are made the same way, cut from the same wafers, packaged for the same socket, and have identical IPC to their desktop counterparts
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But in a rational unbiased debate that Xeon would never make it as viable option considering its cost (ebay is not a good price comparison).

People are selling them by the fistfuls on eBay because there are scores of servers and clusters that used them which are now being replaced. They are available on eBay from reputable sellers in significant enough quantity for almost anyone who would care to pick one up to be able to reliably do so in short order.

I hesitate to use LGA-1366 builds in general comparisons, not because the CPU are not potent, cheap, and readily available (they are all of these), but because good OCing motherboards are scarce.
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And add to that evolution just within Intel, the 4770 becomes a far better choice.

Highly debatable and dependent on the task at hand, as well as if you have or can find a respectable LGA-1366 motherboard. A Gulftown can typically be had for well under 200 dollars and will still trade blows with a hyperthreaded Haswell in many well threaded tasks.
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These parts all have more OCing headroom than the last several generations of Intel's locked parts, but in general, a K series Intel part typically has equal or better OCing headroom than an FX.

An FX-8350, which is probably one of the best values for an AMD part out there right now, is 4GHz stock, and generally tops out at 4.8-5GHz for a 24/7 stable clock, assuming sufficient cooling and a good board.

To be fair, Phenom II's could overclock about a Ghz as well, with about 800Mhz being the safe norm. But as we all know, 1Ghz intel =/= 1Ghz AMD.
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