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Had a brief look over but there has been mention of "one is smooth gameplay and the other isn't". Which is highly subjective. Like I said I find 30 FPS + to be smooth, others may not. So calling one smooth and the other isn't is a stupid argument. 48 vs 60 fps I'd probably find it quite difficult to tell the difference. Minimum FPS and time spent between frames are much more important.

That's why some here say an AMD system "feels" smoother, it's probably due to the fact that that particular processor on a specific game may spend less time (delay) between frames. But yes smoothness is subjective.

Besides it's somewhat rare for an AMD chip to fall under 30 fps and cause real lag anyway.


Also someone mentioned about raw performance and multi-threading, uh point being why a FX-8320 is still viable for years is due to the XBOX and PS4. Smart choice by AMD. But this comment isn't in AMDs defence, it's in code defence in general. We need software to start using multi-cores, it's there, efficient coding to make use of it will speed up performance dramatically. Concurrent tasks running on different threads on different cores is a bonus. We can't be stuck in the olden days and rely on single performance.

Plus reason why people here are excited about HSA is because we really need to start harnessing GPU power. I am not knowledgeable in GPUs but I can bet they are far quicker than a CPU, regardless of bandwidth. If a graphics core can saturate the given bandwidth then guess what, it's going to be faster than compute cores at the same job = less delay, more speed.

Anyway, GPU cores are quick, we need to use them where they are suitable, which in AMDs situation is a wise move. It's a wise innovation. Technology needs to move forward somehow.


Again Intel are great for specific professional software; software needs to move on to multi-threading because we have the hardware now. Otherwise you'd get a super fast single core and run a custom Linux to reduce overhead, if you are that concerned.


Intel has the upper hand because their raw performance is great. Also to back another users comment up; if you haven't owned an AMD processor you can't say anything smile.gif they are both good for different reasons.


Too many people are thinking about the now and not the future. I.E. software really does lack support. But guess what, AMD chips still do alright funnily enough.
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One problem with techspot is that it occassionaly cooks tables.



Processor rankings. i7-3770k@3.5 (stock) does 71fps avg.





i7-3770k@stock 3.5Ghz suddenly does 74fps.

Arma III similar story.

i7-4770k@3.5 does 53fps avg here


and 49 here,
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One problem with techspot is that it occassionaly cooks tables.



Processor rankings. i7-3770k@3.5 (stock) does 71fps avg.





i7-3770k@stock 3.5Ghz suddenly does 74fps.

Arma III similar story.

i7-4770k@3.5 does 53fps avg here


and 49 here,
Nice lol
Those games actually have a benchmark in them?
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Metro LL has one yeah,no idea about ARMA III.
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One problem with techspot is that it occassionaly cooks tables.

I'm not seeing how the tables are being cooked. all I'm seeing is that you have to underclock the 3770 down to 2.5ghz just for the 8350 overclocked to 4.5Ghz to be comparable in performance.
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Go have your eyes checked,then.
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Metro LL has one yeah,no idea about ARMA III.
Nice find! I know something wrong with their graphs.

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I'm not seeing how the tables are being cooked. all I'm seeing is that you have to underclock the 3770 down to 2.5ghz just for the 8350 overclocked to 4.5Ghz to be comparable in performance.
Seriously?? Blind as a bat and still wanted to argue?
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I think that you're going a little too far with your assumptions this time.
maybe, but do you really think that there would be so much consumer standardization without the day demographic?
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Had a brief look over but there has been mention of "one is smooth gameplay and the other isn't". Which is highly subjective. Like I said I find 30 FPS + to be smooth, others may not. So calling one smooth and the other isn't is a stupid argument. 48 vs 60 fps I'd probably find it quite difficult to tell the difference. Minimum FPS and time spent between frames are much more important.

That's why some here say an AMD system "feels" smoother, it's probably due to the fact that that particular processor on a specific game may spend less time (delay) between frames. But yes smoothness is subjective.

Besides it's somewhat rare for an AMD chip to fall under 30 fps and cause real lag anyway.


Also someone mentioned about raw performance and multi-threading, uh point being why a FX-8320 is still viable for years is due to the XBOX and PS4. Smart choice by AMD. But this comment isn't in AMDs defence, it's in code defence in general. We need software to start using multi-cores, it's there, efficient coding to make use of it will speed up performance dramatically. Concurrent tasks running on different threads on different cores is a bonus. We can't be stuck in the olden days and rely on single performance.

Plus reason why people here are excited about HSA is because we really need to start harnessing GPU power. I am not knowledgeable in GPUs but I can bet they are far quicker than a CPU, regardless of bandwidth. If a graphics core can saturate the given bandwidth then guess what, it's going to be faster than compute cores at the same job = less delay, more speed.

Anyway, GPU cores are quick, we need to use them where they are suitable, which in AMDs situation is a wise move. It's a wise innovation. Technology needs to move forward somehow.


Again Intel are great for specific professional software; software needs to move on to multi-threading because we have the hardware now. Otherwise you'd get a super fast single core and run a custom Linux to reduce overhead, if you are that concerned.


Intel has the upper hand because their raw performance is great. Also to back another users comment up; if you haven't owned an AMD processor you can't say anything smile.gif they are both good for different reasons.


Too many people are thinking about the now and not the future. I.E. software really does lack support. But guess what, AMD chips still do alright funnily enough.
ah, so you think coding in general will benefit more than AMD CPUs. that sounds better than my hypothesis tbh.
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Metro LL has one yeah,no idea about ARMA III.
Nice find! I know something wrong with their graphs.

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I'm not seeing how the tables are being cooked. all I'm seeing is that you have to underclock the 3770 down to 2.5ghz just for the 8350 overclocked to 4.5Ghz to be comparable in performance.
Seriously?? Blind as a bat and still wanted to argue?

I've learned not to trust any site to be honest, it's better to compare them for yourself.
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