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post #11 of 31
It's well known that Linux is used heavily in the movie industry though. Pretty much any special effect you see in a movie would have been rendered on Linux powered device.
post #12 of 31
While render farms will always be Linux based the tool used to design are still predominantly OS X now including Mari.
 
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post #13 of 31
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Originally Posted by GermanyChris View Post

While render farms will always be Linux based the tool used to design are still predominantly OS X now including Mari.

I cannot comment about all the production companies, but one of my mates used to work for one of the British companies that do CGI for big films and they had Linux workstations. So there's definitely some out there that do use desktop Linux - even if it's just a minority of firms (I couldn't comment about how wide spread it is).
post #14 of 31
Or you could stop caring what other people think.

My Window Manager of choice sits at roughly 90MB ( Linux, 50MB of which seemingly gets eaten up by X for some reason ) and 30MB ( OpenBSD ) idle. Why have the other 300MB worth of "useless bloat" if I don't use it? tongue.gif As I stated in another thread, while I found KDE fun to use for the last couple of months, I really couldn't find many of it's features actually useful to me. So why even have them there? No real point if you ask me.

Useless bloat to you != Useless bloat to me or someone else or vice versa.


Personally, what I hate worst about KDE is if you want to use just ONE program that uses the KDE libraries, you have to pull every single dependency for KDE. That to me is horrible bloat. If I only technically need 1 dependency for a program, I don't want to install all of KDE to go along with it. If I just want Yakuake for example ( because Guake sucks compared to it, along with most quake style drop down terminals ), then that means my lean 3GB Xmonad install just doubled in size for the sake of KDE. The Haskell compiler is already stupidly large for just using Xmonad, all of 500MB~ish.

Now, for most people on normal drives this wouldn't matter, but I run my laptop off a cheap 16GB SSD, so space is definitely a concern and keeping things lean is a must. I like to have at least 10GB on my home partition which leaves 6GB total for all my other stuff, and that goes quick enough without having to worry about KDE.
post #15 of 31
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Personally, what I hate worst about KDE is if you want to use just ONE program that uses the KDE libraries, you have to pull every single dependency for KDE. That to me is horrible bloat.
Oh god yeah. It's pretty laughable the way kdelibs currently works and part of me wonders if that puts a lot of developers off using kdelibs.

Thankfully the KDE development team have said that they're addressing this problem with KDE 5. (though I'll wait until it's released before commenting further)
post #16 of 31
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Oh god yeah. It's pretty laughable the way kdelibs currently works and part of me wonders if that puts a lot of developers off using kdelibs.

Thankfully the KDE development team have said that they're addressing this problem with KDE 5. (though I'll wait until it's released before commenting further)

One can only hope :|
post #17 of 31
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I cannot comment about all the production companies, but one of my mates used to work for one of the British companies that do CGI for big films and they had Linux workstations. So there's definitely some out there that do use desktop Linux - even if it's just a minority of firms (I couldn't comment about how wide spread it is).

It's fairly wide spread but little known if you're in a big house you're likely on a Linux box doing creative work. It's one of the reasons I brought up Mari it's a heck of a 3d animation creation program the monsters saga was created with it, the last of the Toy Story line was too and it was a Linux only program until last year. I the change was obviously to grab at market share but that grab speaks volumes about what jobbers are using. Te really fun part about all of this is once you're in the program you're using what powers it matters not at all but you'll never convince any of the diehards of that. In my life CS works the same no matter the platform Windows or Linux but if I could get it on Linux I'd be a happy camper and probably buy a copy for home and most assuredly get a copy at work to replace my aging iMac and it's CS3.
 
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post #18 of 31
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Originally Posted by GermanyChris View Post

It's fairly wide spread but little known if you're in a big house you're likely on a Linux box doing creative work. It's one of the reasons I brought up Mari it's a heck of a 3d animation creation program the monsters saga was created with it, the last of the Toy Story line was too and it was a Linux only program until last year. I the change was obviously to grab at market share but that grab speaks volumes about what jobbers are using. Te really fun part about all of this is once you're in the program you're using what powers it matters not at all but you'll never convince any of the diehards of that. In my life CS works the same no matter the platform Windows or Linux but if I could get it on Linux I'd be a happy camper and probably buy a copy for home and most assuredly get a copy at work to replace my aging iMac and it's CS3.

Interesting stuff mate. Thanks smile.gif

Before now, I always thought most of the blockbuster CGI was done on bespoke software rather than off-the-shelf products redface.gif Or was this the case and now commercial software has caught up with the demand?
post #19 of 31
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Interesting stuff mate. Thanks smile.gif

Before now, I always thought most of the blockbuster CGI was done on bespoke software rather than off-the-shelf products redface.gif Or was this the case and now commercial software has caught up with the demand?

I'm quite sure there is more than a little custom rolled stuff out there but like you everything I get is second hand so my peek comes from a few old friends. I'm an ocean and two continents away from all that.

On a side note it looks like my bid on a mystery and broken Mac Pro might just stick so I may just be able to catch up on the Mac world again.
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Actually I'm not saying that KDE is superior to other choices. I'm just trying to put to rest the hangover from early KDE 4 days that still get commonly tossed around that KDE is a resource hog, that it is bloated and for no benefit to anyone.

It is perfectly valid to run KDE with "the evil few" disabled or to run Xfce4 with KDE libraries supported, or even not at all. However it is simply no longer true that KDE is just a glitzy pig.

The answering comment to the 2nd one states that it wasn't just one machine running KDE even if the majority were not and the very existence of even one on such a resource intensive job as big movie video editing precludes using a resource hog. That any major video creation and editing firm is using QT, not to mention on an Academy Award nominated film is a big feather in Linux's cap, not just KDE. It's just that KDE isn't being left out "because it sucks" LOL

quite the contrary, imo it has the fastest render front end, it seems to handle compositing amazingly well. Even in windows up unti 8 (and even on some win8 programs) you fail when alt-tabbing. Yet when running KDE nothing gets to take precedent over your alt-tab command.. if you want to exit full screen you do it just as slick as you would switcihng workspaces. Its so powerful when you can drag a live full screen game running through steam to another workspace, fire up another game on steam and drag that to another workspace and then get on your 3rd or 4th workspace and forget about the games.. which is great if the game benefits from things running for a while like RTS / sims type games.
I haven’t used a compositor which handles alt-tab and workspaces as slick as kde anywhere even outside of linux.

still .. the excess libs needed do grind a bit. Im still running xfce with kwin and it reminds me of cinnamon, so i put cinnamon on a fresh install and so far i have had two crashes to console by simply moving the taskbar to the top of the screen! so cinnamon is the future and is really nice but its more buggy than kde at the moment.
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