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Wow... this thread is now just...

It's difficult to reason with someone that will not listen to reason. What part of "The FX 8320 is SUPER CHEAP for the amount of performance you get" Does this guy not understand? Theoretical performance on that CPU is through the roof compared to similarly priced Intel CPU's. rolleyes.gif

What part aren't you getting that there aren't enough games that can take advantage of more than 4 cores. Games that dont take advantage of more than 6, the i5 will perform anytime better. It's not because you see a game that can take advantage of 8 cores that you'd get lineair performance. You're trying to claim the 8320 is better for gaming for its price which is flatout wrong.

I asked you a proof that a 8320 outperforms the i5 in a massive multiplayer games, you're hitting a wall like it seems because you can't find any.
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Hell, I'm not even arguing that intel's current lineup of CPUs aren't great for gaming AT THE MOMENT, especially since many games can only utilize a max of 4 cores. In that respect, Intel's 2500k, 3570k, and 4670k are all spectacular gaming CPUs, but theoretically speaking, the FX 8320/8350 has more potential than any of them. The 4770k is definitely a superior processor to anything AMD currently has, but it also costs north of $300... that's double the price of an FX 8320.

Theoretically.. C'mon you could do better. A 8350's multithreading performance is only 5-10% better than a 4670k so how the hell can that cpu have like you said more potential?

Explain me; if the 8350 is according to you a better CPU for BF4 and the 4770K being superior to a 8350, how the hell can we have a 50% improvement with a 4770k over 8350? -> http://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/original/2014/02/Battlefield-4-Mantle-Review-CPU-Benchmarks-Multiplayer-290X-pcgh.png

HT will give at best a 15-20% gain.

The 1080p you clearly notice the R9 290X starts to hit 99% so stick at the 720p one.
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Again, my wife has an i5 3570k in her system. I've used it at length. It's a great processor, especially for gaming, but Faithh, you are dead wrong when you say it is a superior processor for BF4.

You can't really say the facts are wrong.
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Case and point: my GTX 780 on my FX 8320 @ 4.7Ghz and max settings @ 1920x1200 will leave the GPU usage pinned @ 95-98% on full servers. That's 95-98% GPU usage and an average of 75FPS. That's nothing to sneeze at. If I let Geforce Experience set the settings, it will set a combination of low to high settings and the FPS skyrockets to an average of 100-110. In other words, the FX 8320 still has some leg room before it becomes maxed out.

They cant keep 2x 770's at 99% as I linked this video earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na-OSmaiKzU
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My Wife's system, with an i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz and dual HD 7870 XT's in crossfire also plays BF4 very well at around 80 FPS average when maxed out. But the GPU usage drops into the 60-70% range quite regularly... and that's with the CPU being pinned at 99-100% on full servers... and before you ask, both of our systems are on Windows 8.1.

And why should we trust you more than the reviews? No offense but you are spraying nonsense if you're claiming the i5@4.4GHz bottlenecking 2 7870 XT's. I can go around here and post stuff like "my friend's 8320@stock bottlenecks his 660ti" - that would be stupid to say without having any source to back this up.

Can show you the 8350 bottlenecking a single gtx 760 if you like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FosFhtOZqBg

25% fps (40vs50) difference would definitely mean the 8350 was bottlenecking the 760 at stock.

Anyways, I recently made a video with 2 cores enabled + HT on and at stock clocks. The extra cache should match the haswell i3 out. Have a look at 2 780's with an "i3": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOYzmu51Zp8

You'd see the temps of each pair of threads is exactly the same (sometimes playclaw doesnt update fast enough) and as you know the temps for each physical core are always a degree or 3° different.
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TL;DR - Sorry, but for BF4, the FX 8 core CPUs are beast, especially for the price. The story changes on some older titles, but I've never been unhappy with performance on a game due to my processor... and I highly doubt anyone on this forum would ever take a crappy i5 4430 with a LOCKED MULTIPLIER over an FX 83xx CPU. That's a TERRIBLE idea.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($152.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($125.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $269.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-04 20:52 EDT-0400)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $312.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-04 21:42 EDT-0400)

Saving 40$ can be very stupid. Using the benchmarks I linked, do the calculations price/performance seems to be better on the i5 again.

Lets say you want to OC both to as much as you can under acceptable conditions:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $342.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-04 21:41 EDT-0400)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($152.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($125.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $369.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-04 20:56 EDT-0400)

The reason I've used an evo 212 for the i5 is because you don't need anything better than that. You're not getting any temp gains with a H100i, theyre a waste. Now leaving it up to you, which CPU is the best for the money?

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What I find interesting is that this guy is suggesting a locked intel CPU on a forum called "Overclock.net" Our motto is "The pursuit of performance," not "The pursuit of STOCK performance"

I got the FX 8320 because it was cheap and is a hell of a lot of fun to overclock. I could have spent $100 more and gotten an i5 3570k easily,

Seems like you clearly had no clue what the prices are like and just went "AMD best bang for your buck" moto without thinking. Honestly what you paid for your CPU+mobo + a cooler that would be useless on Intel which is 440$ could have gotten you a 4770k+z87 board.

After showing you that a 8350 overclocked at 5GHz still struggles to pass a stock i5, the i5 4570 will be a better choice rather than wasting extra money into the gear you need to OC a 8350. If you spend your money on that gear, you're getting close to a 4670K+z87 so it doesn't make much sense to go with AMD for BF4. No point getting a cpu for its theoretically performance if you never can take advantage of it. If someone is asking a cooler for his i3; you're not going to recommend him a custom loop with 5x 480mm rads with 5 pumps because their theoretically performance is the best and more futureproof.
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But again Faithh's objective has absolutely nothing to do with the OP at hand.

Well he didn't mention he already had a motherboard in the OP so I'm not seeing what I've done wrong with suggesting him to go Intel.
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Well he didn't mention he already had a motherboard in the OP so I'm not seeing what I've done wrong with suggesting him to go Intel.

He posted that he got a board, and as a reminder another member posted a quote of him doing so throughout the thread. Just goes to show that you arent here to assist the OP but for other reasons.

So again, your post is off topic.
    
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Now I get to make some videos to prove my point. This is going to be fun!

Uploading two videos now. Stay tuned!


and Faithh... you're about to wish you hadn't challenged my assertions. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Mad Pistol - 4/4/14 at 8:05pm
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Now I get to make some videos to prove my point. This is going to be fun!

Uploading two videos now. Stay tuned!


and Faithh... you're about to wish you hadn't challenged my assertions. rolleyes.gif

Even I want in tongue.gif
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hmmm 9 pages worth of posts??

it seems interesting topic though biggrin.gif

ganna get some reading done, who needs books when you have threads like this biggrin.gif



NOTE: before i read this whole thing, is it safe to say that if ur buying a 6350, you should jsut buy the 8320 instead? since its only ~~$20 difference?
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hmmm 9 pages worth of posts??

it seems interesting topic though biggrin.gif

ganna get some reading done, who needs books when you have threads like this biggrin.gif



NOTE: before i read this whole thing, is it safe to say that if ur buying a 6350, you should jsut buy the 8320 instead? since its only ~~$20 difference?

I certainly think so. 2 extra cores for $20 is a deal in my book.
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He posted that he got a board, and as a reminder another member posted a quote of him doing so throughout the thread. Just goes to show that you arent here to assist the OP but for other reasons.

So again, your post is off topic.

My suggestion wasnt offtopic. And I'm not the one who started a debate, the one who quoted me started and they went offtopic as well.
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Ok video time. These videos are unlisted, but if you need proof that they are me, just check the youtube channel name.

First video: BF4 optimized by Geforce Experience (settings in video)

Second video: BF4 Ultra default @ 1920x1200 (settings in video)System specs in forum signature.



Third video: BF4 Ultra default @ 1920x1200 (Intel i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz, Crossfire HD 7870 XT @ stock)
The first two videos were taken inside on the map "Operation Locker" and Team Deathmatch w/ 64 players. In a situation such as this, it stresses the CPU because there are so many players in such a small space.

The third video was taken in an action part of Operation Locker on a system consisting of an i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz and two HD 7870 XT video cards in Crossfire. Notice how the CPU utilization is @ 100% almost constantly, but the GPU utilization is @ 60-80% per GPU.


Let me say it again: An FX 8320 when overclocked is not... I repeat, NOT a bottleneck on BF4. Period.

If you wish to dispute my claims, I have two other videos I uploaded from the FX-8320/GTX 780 system that were recorded using Shadowplay on the same map. However, in the Shadowplay videos, they are all action sequences similar to the one that I recorded for the i5 3570k/Crossfire HD 7870 XT system. That way, we still have something that is pretty close to an apples-to-apples comparison.


I await your reply Faithh. I hope you have a good one this time. thumb.gif
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My suggestion wasnt offtopic. And I'm not the one who started a debate, the one who quoted me started and they went offtopic as well.

Are you fighting straw points now? Its irrelevant as OP has an AM3 board already.

So between the two, which would you recommend?
    
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My suggestion wasnt offtopic. And I'm not the one who started a debate, the one who quoted me started and they went offtopic as well.

Interesting, this guy is running an 8350 with 670 sli maxing out both in Crysis 3
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