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Originally Posted by Veranor View Post

I was lucky enough to run into the reps from AMD as they were leaving San Francisco from the RSA security conference. So of course, I poked and prodded for answers on a few things.

First - AMD is not developing anymore AM3+ chips. They haven't officially stated, but I was reassured that they are looking to bigger and better things now. AM3+ is legacy to them.

Second - An APU with R9 graphics will be released in the 2nd half of this year. They couldn't release it now because of the huge shortages in R9 chips due to bitmining. It will be geared to hit the enthusiast market. At the point of release, it was suggested that a bunch of HSA-compliant software, including many games, will be launched in the same time frame. The APUs should be dual graphics / crossfire x compatible with all R9, R8, R7 chips.

Third - The reps also suggested that there are a lot more things going on with HSA that we know about, specifically the number of developers that are adopting it. While this is unconfirmed, it was suggested that EA and their child companies are getting on board - and there was a specific mention to Bioware, but they were mum on any expanding of that information. For my interests, I never expanded beyond games.

Fourth - ARM64 chips are going to be tightly integrated with desktop and server chips on the same board, with similar performance that you would see on an APU between CPU and GPU. As a result, they are expecting a major paradigm shift in how operating systems function to occur in the next 2-3 years. Again, something they were mum on when I asked for more.

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The last thing I asked about was competing with Intel. They've all but abandoned that concept. The mentality they all shared was that its time to go into a brand new direction that no one has thought about. By doing that, they would essentially be competing with Intel, not with speed or performance, but with innovation and evolution of the x86 architecture into something else entirely.

I am hopeful for AMD in this situation. Again, if HSA is what they say it is, and they incorporate that into an enthusiast level APU - well, we've seen the preliminary Kaveri HSA benchmarks...

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Enjoy!


This right here.
post #12 of 28
Good info. Obviously it has to be taken with a grain of salt, but all news does, honestly. Thanks OP!
post #13 of 28
Until something happens it remains rumor, but I hope to god you're right.
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Memory bandwidth, memory bandwidth, oh and I think I forgot to mention, memory bandwidth.
Perhaps it won't be on FM2+ and will be on a chipset that supports DDR4? I realize DDR4 won't be faster than DDR3 at launch, but eventually it might reach speeds capable for low-to-mid end R9 chips.
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What about embedded GDDR5 or L4 memory?
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What about embedded GDDR5 or L4 memory?

Seen the size of GDDR5 memory chips lately? And APUs don't even have L3. AMD's already pushing big dies, and this one would be massive. They don't have room.

Better off with Quad-Channel high-speed DDR3 or DDR4. That should be "enough" for a 7850 or so.
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I'm skeptical because why would they disclose any of this information? If AMD wanted it to be known they would tell us.

I'm just going to run with it for a second though, I wonder if they meant HSA enabled discrete gpu's? I thought that was slated for 2014 and would absolutely help adoption of HSA. Granted it wouldn't benefit from HUMA but there are many things that would perform exceptionally on a nice powerful discrete graphics card that they haven't been able to get running with OpenCL.

Or maybe a discrete gpu with some Jaguar cores built into it and that's why it was referred to as a APU.
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I can certainly understand the skepticism. Ironically enough I sat with them on the plane ride back to Austin.

There were probably a dozen things they couldn't tellme, but the things they did I don't think they were held down by nda. I did ask about fm2+ and the concerns I had about a r9 apu and one of the womensaid to just wait until the 2nd half.

So... Enough data to churn the forums but not anymore tangible details. But I figured it was post worthy.
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Fourth - ARM64 chips are going to be tightly integrated with desktop and server chips on the same board, with similar performance that you would see on an APU between CPU and GPU. As a result, they are expecting a major paradigm shift in how operating systems function to occur in the next 2-3 years. Again, something they were mum on when I asked for more.

Their has been talk about this with servers but the desktop too? I wonder what exactly ARM cores would be doing on the desktop unless the computer can run on the ARM cores when in "modern" apps and run on x86 when in desktop mode. I don't see the advantage on the desktop but it could be a nice option for notebooks and tablets. Efficiency for light computer usage and performance when you need it. Could be AMD's ticket into the tablet market but it doesn't sound like a easy thing to pull off on the software side.

I really hope they have a 2P-4P APU Opteron platform somewhere in the pipeline for 2016 and it makes it's way over to desktop as a enthusiast socket. A 2P APU platform with Excavator Cores, DDR4 and HSA would be awesome. drool.gif
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Interesting fodder to chomp on. Even a low end R9 class on die makes me very intrigued, but as everyone else has mentioned, they're going to have to work some magic with the memory bandwidth for it to make sense. As for AM3+, no shocker there, but wish they would lower the 9590 $80 so I can justify buying one. biggrin.gif Can't wait to see how ARM64 weaves itself into HSA.
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