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post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by 98uk View Post

You didn't read the article.

It's not about that. It's about calling it "free" when there is monetary aspects.

Read the article before you type.

these games are free to play last i checked. there is no requirement to spend money, there are no hidden fees. there are in-app things you can buy that require the players consent. i know that is a lot of responsibility in this day and age though
post #22 of 30
Honestly, I've not played a single F2P game that 'required' any purchase just to make normal progression. Sure, most F2P have a cash store for extras and the like, some to the point of being Pay2Win, but 'most' are reasonable. I'd love for them to cite specific sources, and then when faced with actual spending reports and the like, decide to continue to butt the hell out and let the free market manage itself.

If moron A playing F2P game 1 spends $100/month on various extras and cosmetic items, should the government regulate that?
If moron B playing F2P game 2 spends $100/month for progression in said game, but is too stupid to use Google and find 1 of 1,000 other similar free games that DON'T require $ to progress, then is it necessary for the Gov't to regulate? You're still playing the game for free. It may not be fun and you may not be able to do much... isn't that how a demo used to be? False advertising? No. Will the game last, probably not, without a progression system overhaul.

Remember the demo disks in the back of the PCGamer magazines? Those free game portions to get you enticed, but alas! You have to PAY to progress the rest of the game. Paying $40-60 for full access at once, or 20 micro-transactions of $1-3 to get the same progression..

Again, the government should regulate this why? And I mean ANY gov't, not just US or EU. Sounds like an excuse for the ruling parties to sit around a 'investigate' these F2P games on the tax payers dollars for a year or two just to make sure there is no funny business going on. thumb.gif
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Good old days when you used to pay $60 for a game and it would include everything until the next one comes out 2-3 years after...
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Honestly, I've not played a single F2P game that 'required' any purchase just to make normal progression. Sure, most F2P have a cash store for extras and the like, some to the point of being Pay2Win, but 'most' are reasonable. I'd love for them to cite specific sources, and then when faced with actual spending reports and the like, decide to continue to butt the hell out and let the free market manage itself.

exactly, it typically just eliminates time sinks. not to mention there is always a warning "offers in-app purchases" when you download the app.
post #25 of 30
I like how many F2P games now will not warn you before you spend premium currency, so if you accidentally click on a premium item and have enough currency for it, it automatically executes, which has happened to me often enough (in games I didn't care about enough to bother further than tutorial) to be a problem.
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post #26 of 30
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Sorry but seems you had a different definition for free before.

Seriously though the issue is needing to pay anything to complete or progress is the issue here and I agree there needs to be a compromise.

You're seriously going to continue that argument from before? Really?

Okay.

"Free to play" as a term when used about a type of game is not the same thing as "free" when referring to either needing or not needing expensive hardware.

Do we really have to get into this again? Or can you let your personal vendetta against me go?
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post

You're seriously going to continue that argument from before? Really?

Okay.

"Free to play" as a term when used about a type of game is not the same thing as "free" when referring to either needing or not needing expensive hardware.

Do we really have to get into this again? Or can you let your personal vendetta against me go?
Actually have no desire to bring up that discussion again. But wanted to point out that in one instance you make the claim free to be all inclusive, then in another not. You can tell alot about the character of a man by the quality and consistency of their arguments.

Agreed, it has ended.
post #28 of 30
Context matters, and can change the meaning of words. It is not inconsistent to use words in different ways in different situations. You're the one who seems to be trying to make me look bad out of a personal vendetta by manufacturing an inconsistency where none exists.

In this case it is a situation of a company rep saying one thing and you claiming he said another in a specific demonstration about a specific hypothetical product, versus a widely-regarded blanket industry term for an entire category of games. They're nowhere close, and to bring it up in the first place reveals you care more about my "character" than about the topic at hand.
post #29 of 30
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Context matters, and can change the meaning of words. It is not inconsistent to use words in different ways in different situations. You're the one who seems to be trying to make me look bad out of a personal vendetta by manufacturing an inconsistency where none exists.

In this case it is a situation of a company rep saying one thing and you claiming he said another in a specific demonstration about a specific hypothetical product, versus a widely-regarded blanket industry term for an entire category of games. They're nowhere close, and to bring it up in the first place reveals you care more about my "character" than about the topic at hand.
Ok I was just gonna leave it but since you seem to want clarification: free= both have it in their name. One a product idea never used the word free of cost or no cost and the other games that do actually use the word free or no cost. First gets condemned because the word is free in the name yet has some cost. Second has the word free and has some cost yet is deemed ok.

We aren't talking all F2P just the ones where paying grants decidedadvantages and nearly necessary to progress.
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and they came out months later, or years later, not the same day as the release of game


And the original game was actually good and actually original.
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