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Hello fellow Overclockers. I'm new to Overclocking and consider myself somewhere just barely above novice on knowledge of the subject. I've been reading some of the boards, watching a few videos and checking on some of the forums here on Overclocking.net.

My Rig & Setup:

- Intel Core I7 - 4770K Quad Core 3.5 GHz 8 MB Cache
- Asus Maximus VI Hero DDR3 2800 LGA 1150
- Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (8-8-8-24) XMP 1.5V
- Corsair CX750 Builder Series ATX 80 PLUS Bronze
- Crucial M500 240 GB SATA 2.5 Inch 7mm SSD (Will be adding 3 TB HDD soon)
- Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Optical Drive
- Cooler Master Seidon 120 XL - PC CPU Liquid Water Cooling System 120mm Radiator & 2 Fans
- Cooler Master HAF 922 Mid Tower with High Airflow and USB 3.0
- PNY GTX560 TI (Will upgrade soon to GTX770 or maybe dual 770's in SLI)
- Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64Bit System Builder

I will be primarily using the system for Gaming but I would like the flexibility to use the system for whatever I might need it for, and of course I would love to show it off!

I put everything together in the case and she runs great at stock speed. I installed all Windows updates, drivers included with the MB, as well as latest video card drivers. I downloaded Prime95 64 Bit, CPU-Z and Real Temp. I also have the Asus AI Suite software that came with the MB.

The UEFI BiOS is very easy to navigate, but the amount of information as well as the amount of variables that can be adjusted is quite overwhelming. At first, I fiddled and played with things without doing much background homework and after making changes I would re-boot and get BSOD or it might just lockup altogether. Finally I decided to read some information and start over from scratch. I reset the BIOS settings back to default and adjusted only the CPU core ratios (leaving them synced) and the voltage to the CPU core. Only adjusting these two variables each time allows me to boot into Windows with no problems.

Running several tests with Prime95 I find that I can really only keep my temps below 85C (according to Real Temp) if I only run at 1.24V at 4.1GHz. - (Running Prime95 about 15 minutes total time). However, I do notice that my Asus AI Suite temperatures are generally reporting about 20C cooler than the Real Temp temperatures. Bumping up my voltage to 1.25+ pushes the temps to around 95C according to Real Temp and 75C according to Asus AI Suite3.

Now, I'm not 100% sure I installed the Water Cooler and Fans perfectly. I set up the fans so that outside air is being sucked into the radiator (from the back of the case) and then on the opposite side of the radiator, air is being sucked out of the radiator and pushed into the interior of the case. I have two exhaust fans (large one exhausting air out the top and smaller one exhausting air out the side. I also have a large intake fan in the front of the case. Inside and all around the case is very cool. However, I'm not 100% confident in the job I did seating the copper end of the Cooler against the CPU. I did it rather quickly and I kind of suspect that may be one of my problems. The other variable I am wondering about is all of the other options in the UEFI BIOS that I haven't fiddled with and left on "Auto" for the most part. Could some setting in the BIOS help relieve some of the overheating or could some setting allow me to use lower voltage for the CPU if I adjusted something else?

I appreciate anyone's help and I will reply with answers to questions and report any results from suggested setting changes.

Thanks All!


Leif
post #2 of 11
Try HWMONITOR for temps, That program will give you accurate voltages and temps. My Asus z87 plus gives my cpu a bit more vcore than what I select in the bios.
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I downloaded HW Monitor and used that to monitor the Temp of the system under Prime95 stress tests. I also re-seated the Cooler to the CPU. I then set the CPU voltage to 1.25V and tested under 4.1 GHz. Temps got to around 75C and the system seemed stable. Moved up to 4.2 GHz and stability held and temps reached about same. Then at 4.3 GHz I got BSOD about 2 minutes into Prime95 Test. I moved voltage up to 1.275V at 4.3 GHz and Temps reached about 89C, but still got BSOD about 15 minutes into Prime95 test.

I left the voltage at 1.275V and backed it down to 4.2GHz. Temps reached about 85C but ran Prime95 for only about half an hour and it held stable.

I'm guessing I just have a relatively sub-par chip, plus not the greatest cooling system. I suppose there is no sense in pushing more voltage if I can't keep it cool enough and there is really no sense in buying even better cooling if my chip isn't good enough to run much higher anyway.

Any other suggestions?

Leif
post #4 of 11
Silly question .... did you clean the old thermal paste off and apply new before reseating? Also you only need a small dab.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1291703/ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboards
^ this is a great guide btw.

From my personal experience AI Suite is only good for fan set up. I just have a hard time trusting it from not only the discrepancies I get but also what the community has to say about it.
Edited by jdstock76 - 3/4/14 at 6:48am
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Good question. I forgot to mention that I did clean off the old paste with a towel and some isopropyl alcohol off both the CPU lid and the copper plate of the Cooler. I only used a small "long grain of rice" amount of Arctic Silver 5 when I reapplied the paste.
post #6 of 11
Those seem like some fairly high temps, even for that smallish overclock you have. Check that your airflow is all going in one direction, and that everything is seated correctly. Also, check this out: http://rog.asus.com/242142013/labels/rog-exclusive/maximus-vi-series-uefi-guide-for-overclocking/
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Originally Posted by Leifer View Post

Hello fellow Overclockers. I'm new to Overclocking and consider myself somewhere just barely above novice on knowledge of the subject. I've been reading some of the boards, watching a few videos and checking on some of the forums here on Overclocking.net.

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not sure what's causing your problems, but in relation to OCing..you should use this guide: http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-thread-with-statistics
 
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Ya at that voltage you should definitely be closer to the 4.5-4.6Ghz thinking.gif
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Reading this thread -> http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-thread-with-statistics

Came across this comment:
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Great guide Darkwizzie!

Folks with Haswell....DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED! Most are stuck at 4.2-4.3ghz because they never touched their UNCORE. Once you lower your uncore down to 34x or 35x, you can easily increase your multiplier headroom. Sometimes by even 4.6ghz....thats an increase of 400mhz over an initial 4.2ghz....which is a HUGE bump in performance..... compared to the 1% loss in performance by lowering uncore down to 34x or 35x. CORE IS STILL KING. Oh yeah and please....if you have a 2400mhz memory kit...DO NOT run 2400mhz initially. Lower it to 1600mhz and try to see the max potential of the CPU, before raising the memory back to 2400mhz. Most CPUs cannot hold a high overclock (4.7ghz) with a high memory speed (2400mhz)

I have no doubt in my mind that most Haswell samples can run approx 4.5ghz, by playing with these new settings we weren't familiar with on Sandy/Ivy. Good luck
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Reading this thread -> http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-thread-with-statistics

Came across this comment:
Great guide Darkwizzie!

Folks with Haswell....DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED! Most are stuck at 4.2-4.3ghz because they never touched their UNCORE. Once you lower your uncore down to 34x or 35x, you can easily increase your multiplier headroom. Sometimes by even 4.6ghz....thats an increase of 400mhz over an initial 4.2ghz....which is a HUGE bump in performance..... compared to the 1% loss in performance by lowering uncore down to 34x or 35x. CORE IS STILL KING. Oh yeah and please....if you have a 2400mhz memory kit...DO NOT run 2400mhz initially. Lower it to 1600mhz and try to see the max potential of the CPU, before raising the memory back to 2400mhz. Most CPUs cannot hold a high overclock (4.7ghz) with a high memory speed (2400mhz)

I have no doubt in my mind that most Haswell samples can run approx 4.5ghz, by playing with these new settings we weren't familiar with on Sandy/Ivy. Good luck
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The quote says it all. I referred you to the guide for good reason. If you have any questions while overclocking go ahead and post. Just make sure you follow the guide first. Otherwise youll be referred to pg1
 
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