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post #21 of 50
You could buy the model that doesn't come with a pump and make a sealing cap for it. A piece of thick plastic with a rubber gasket would probably work using the existing screw holes
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Here is my build plan:

This is going to sound weird but there are just too many rads in your suggested build. You will end up re-using air from one rad into the other.
I suggest you come up with a way to have all your rads sucking air into your case, or all rads blowing air out of your case.

Here is what our water cooling guru, Martin of MML, has to say about rad airflow direction:
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The trick with rad sizing is the installation where grill restriction, poor case air flow, and recycling of heat can easily cut performance in half or worse.
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Also are both rads pushing air out of the case?
You don't want to recycle air through rads..thats a goo way to loose most of their efficiency.
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Yeah, don't bother...doesn't work in water cooling unless you planned to run ultra high speed 4000+RPM fans in push/rad/push/rad/pull type setup.

Bottom line, you need fresh cold air entering each radiator. Recycling already warmed air is bad juju..biggrin.gif
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post #23 of 50
Also, looking at your proposed design, looks like not only you have too many rads, but they all appear to be thick rads in push or pull alone.
I think you would actually get better performance with half the raddage in push/pull. Especially if you are going with thick rads.

And for a single GPU and single CPU, a single D5 would be sufficient. More pumps just mean more heat dumped into your loop.

I know it sounds weird to suggest less rads and less pumps for improuved performance. But I think other guys here will support this, the more seasoned guys anyway.

If you really want that many rads, I suggest moving some of them out externally.

Cheers biggrin.gif
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Just ordered 22 GP AP-14s for $308 delivered (USA). That's enough for my current build log project plus 3 extras in case of any failures. I chose the AP-14s over the AP-15s after living with the AP-15s for a while without a fan controller. I find AP-15s to be mostly quiet but a bit louder than I'd want for movies. With all the rads I am planing on I'll never run Ap-15s at full speed. Plus the AP-14s are rated for nearly double the lifespan and they undervolt a bit smoother from what I can read. Not to mention I was able to buy 22 AP-14s for the current price of 15 GT AP-15s. So I should be good on fans for quite a while plus I still have 5 of the AP-15s left.

If EK makes a bay res without the D5 hole I'll buy it. Perhaps there is a way to plug it up without the pump. But the res does have anti vibration built in and so does my sm8 case (with the anti vibration mounts) so I think I'm good on vibration protection. And I like EK's new bay res too much to pass on it. I'm set on the D5s for now but I do change my PC plan like I change my socks.

If you are not going to mount your pump(s) on your res, there is no need to decouple the res. Unless you get that expensive dancing, shaking, vibrating coolant in there. tongue.gif
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My render does not account for airflow or true fan placement. Its drawn that way to be easier to see as its not a 3D model you can spin around. The two pedestals are isolated from the main chamber but can be open to each other. For airflow the middle pedestal sucks in the air while cooling off the hard drives and the two bottom rads exhaust opposite to each other. The bottom pedestal is also ventilated front and back for fresh air to be drawn in. The top chamber does put a 360 into a 480 but the case is huge and the total rad real estate is equally huge. The heat would have to fight its way past 15x120mm of total rad space. I honestly don't think it will matter when cooling off a single CPU, a single GPU, possibly two GPUs, and the motherboard. The rads are 55mm in a single fan configuration. IMHO, push pull isn't worth it over single fans for noise, the minor performance gain, and cost. Even excess has a limit. Or that's not where I want the excess to go biggrin.gif I want at least two pumps for redundancy, the third was just to use the Dual EK D5 Pump Top and to give the build a bit of excess. I will also be using several XSPC 170 Reservoirs and want to insure the loop is strong enough to push threw all of them. External rads just moves your attention away from the showcase. Not into that idea.

That said, I suppose I could cut the front bay rad and do something else artistic with the space. 3x480 will be just as excessive and would not feed into each other. While I knew that there was a performance drop, I might not of known just how much. Thanks for the info.
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You could buy the model that doesn't come with a pump and make a sealing cap for it. A piece of thick plastic with a rubber gasket would probably work using the existing screw holes

Good idea. Though I might as well put a pump in there since I want three. And three shiny EK D5 pump covers biggrin.gif
Edited by Neo Zuko - 3/6/14 at 11:24pm
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Actually I did revise the build plan for airflow, thanks for getting me to think more about it. I found a way to have my cake and eat it too with up to 14x120 rad space on two pedestals that don't recycle heat. I did this as I realized just how bad my airflow plan was. I'll post it in my build log soon.
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Which case are you going to use?
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post #28 of 50
Quote:
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That is a lot of rads for a single GPU setup. Have you considered a dual loop setup with a dedicated 480mm rad for each loop?

Onto your question, I have 2 D5 pumps in series for my 6 rad loop (2x 480, 360, 2x 240, 120... total of 16 120mm ) with 29 Noctua NF-F12 fans which is compatible to your planned loop of 15 120mm rad space. Since your loop will have less resistance, you may be able to get by with a single D5 pump.
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Well, resistance is subjective. Sometimes, the more blocks you have, the less resistance you get.....if you go in parallel.
My planned build will have the cpu, the two mobo block in parallel, and the 3 gpu's in parallel.
That would be 6 blocks, and most certainly less restrictive than your typical two blocks cpu+gpu loop.

But put all my 6 blocks in series, you you have an extremely restrictive loop.
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I read somewhere that parallel is worth it for four GPUs but not two GPus. But so far I like the idea of one loop more than two as I want pump redundancy in case one fails.

The case is the Merlin SM8 from Case Labs. I'm almost done the render for the new airflow plan.
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