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I strongly douth that the GTS rad would outperform the UT60 at 1000 rpm, no matter what fan configuration you use. The data collected by Martin is pretty darn obvious that higher FPI rads don't perform at low speed and need to get high rpm to shine.I'll bet you your sister's phone number you own a GTS rad?
If you look here, at slower speeds the GTS is the worst performer. My guess is you won't see the GTS shine below 4000 rpm, that makes it a pretty darn noisy rad to me.
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That'lots of people' is extremely questionable subjectively because you are the first one ever I hear saying it. You are also the first one ever disagreeing with me that the Alphacool full copper is is the best. So what are the reasons the 'lots of people' would prefer the HL rad anyways? It's tinless construction?
Depends on what you are looking for in a radiator. If you want price:performance ratio while sacrificing some quality, then yes, NexXxos radiators are the best. If you want performance and very high quality, then HWL is the way to go. Which explains the high cost of HWL radiators.

Having previously owned an ST30, the quality pales in comparison to my HWL GTX 480. The GTX just feels much more solid than the ST30 did. If money was no issue, I'd go with HWL radiators everytime. If you're on a budget, the NexXos radiators are the best choice. Most radiators all perform within a few Watts Dissipated anyway, which really only translates to not even a 1C core temp difference.
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I dont give a damn about a few %'s, just high quality, and quality control from which ever brand of rad and pump I go with.

With a set of NF-F12 PWN fan(s)
Res/pump, cpu, 120mm rad, gpu1, gpu2, 240mm rad, res/pump?
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=42&lng=en



Are the Aquacomputer rads worth it? I only want to buy rads once.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14727/ex-rad-326/Aquacomputer_Airplex_Modularity_System_240_Radiator_-_Aluminum_Fins_-_Single_Circuit_33006.html?tl=g30c95s160

Or the XSPC AX's?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17141/ex-rad-440/XSPC_AX240_Dual_120mm_Radiator_w_Aluminum_Enclosure_-_Black.html?tl=g30c95s160

Also, feedback on layout,

Edited by knightsilver - 3/4/14 at 9:34am
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I beleive that holds true for just about every rad out there but one brand: the aquacomputer ones. So I felt no need to mention the tin solder.
That'lots of people' is extremely questionable subjectively because you are the first one ever I hear saying it. You are also the first one ever disagreeing with me that the Alphacool full copper is is the best. So what are the reasons the 'lots of people' would prefer the HL rad anyways? It's tinless construction?

I just said so above so that makes two. biggrin.gif

The build quality of HWLabs rads (GTX and SR1 only) are much higher than Alphacool. Great paint, never any bend fins, no solder blobs.
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Depends on what you are looking for in a radiator. If you want price:performance ratio while sacrificing some quality, then yes, NexXxos radiators are the best.
This has to be the first time ever I hear the Nexxos rads being referenced as budget rads. But not taking price in the equation, the Nexxos line shine at all fan speed tested by Martin. The ST30 performs the best below 1000 rpm, and the UT60 performs the best above 1000 rpm. How you can shift from actual best performance to some delusional price/performance compromise is beyond my mental gymnastics abilities.
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If you want performance and very high quality, then HWL is the way to go. Which explains the high cost of HWL radiators.
Correction, if you want to pay more money for one of the worst performing rads beliw 2500 rpm, tge GTX is where it's at. As for the high quality, I won't address tgat as that is a ratger subjective criteria.
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Having previously owned an ST30, the quality pales in comparison to my HWL GTX 480. The GTX just feels much more solid than the ST30 did. If money was no issue, I'd go with HWL radiators everytime. If you're on a budget, the NexXos radiators are the best choice.

The Nexxos rads are not only the best choice if you are on a budget (your claim). They are also the best choice if you want every bit of performance at any speed below 2500 rpm. And I think we can agree that the vast majority of users don't want fans faster than 2500 rpm. Which is probably pretty much why Martin didn't bother to test above those speeds.

I just don't understand how you can claim the GTX is a good performer when it looks to be one of the worst performers below 2000 rpm, and still not shining between 2000 and 2500 rpm.

In fact, I would say that most guys will want their fan rpm aroun 1000. Well at 1000 rpm, the GTX is the worst perfprmer at 125w and the UT60 is the best performer at 151.
So if you want affordable AND best performance, the Nexxos line it where it's at. As for the build quality, I won't address it as it's subjective. My UT60''s do 'feel' well built enough to suppirt the weight of my fans. I am not sure how you define well built. The only manufacturing flaw I noticed on ny 6 Alphacool rads was a sometimes crooked brand sticker, which I removed to paint the rads anyway.

If you care nothing about price and performance, and if you intent to use your rad as a home defence weapon, the GTX 'feels well built' enough for your task. rolleyes.gif
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The GTX is designed for high speed fans. It has a relatively high FPI. So of course it performs poorly w/ lower speed fans.

The SR1 is the one designed for sub-1000 rpm performance.
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Yes, I would say the SR1 is pretty much on par with the ST30 performance wise. I would recommend the SR1. However the ST30 has more ports, screw protectors, and all copper construction.

So if you want a solid rad to beat up your wife or use as a home defence weapon, get the GTX.
If you want a work of art to display on your wall, get the GTX.
If you want to pay more for a noisy rad, get the GTX.

For the restbof us who burry our rads under a ton of fans, want the best performance, port options, quiet operation, affordability, 'oops' proof screw protectors, get a Nexxos.
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This has to be the first time ever I hear the Nexxos rads being referenced as budget rads. But not taking price in the equation, the Nexxos line shine at all fan speed tested by Martin. The ST30 performs the best below 1000 rpm, and the UT60 performs the best above 1000 rpm. How you can shift from actual best performance to some delusional price/performance compromise is beyond my mental gymnastics abilities.
Correction, if you want to pay more money for one of the worst performing rads beliw 2500 rpm, tge GTX is where it's at. As for the high quality, I won't address tgat as that is a ratger subjective criteria.
The Nexxos rads are not only the best choice if you are on a budget (your claim). They are also the best choice if you want every bit of performance at any speed below 2500 rpm. And I think we can agree that the vast majority of users don't want fans faster than 2500 rpm. Which is probably pretty much why Martin didn't bother to test above those speeds.

I just don't understand how you can claim the GTX is a good performer when it looks to be one of the worst performers below 2000 rpm, and still not shining between 2000 and 2500 rpm.

In fact, I would say that most guys will want their fan rpm aroun 1000. Well at 1000 rpm, the GTX is the worst perfprmer at 125w and the UT60 is the best performer at 151.
So if you want affordable AND best performance, the Nexxos line it where it's at. As for the build quality, I won't address it as it's subjective. My UT60''s do 'feel' well built enough to suppirt the weight of my fans. I am not sure how you define well built. The only manufacturing flaw I noticed on ny 6 Alphacool rads was a sometimes crooked brand sticker, which I removed to paint the rads anyway.

If you care nothing about price and performance, and if you intent to use your rad as a home defence weapon, the GTX 'feels well built' enough for your task. rolleyes.gif
I only referred to NexXos rads as budget because they are generally one of the cheaper rads in their size class. In no way did I say that they are a cheaply made, low quality radiator. Only cheap in price. But, again, not as high quality as a HWL rad. You would be hard pressed to find another radiator that performs better for a lower price than NexXos rads. Which is where the price:performance ratio comes in. I was merely using the GTX in my quality comparison because that;s the only HWL rad I've ever owned. I made no performance comparison between the ST30 or UT60 and GTX because it would be like comparing apples to oranges. One is designed for high speed and the other is designed to low to mid speed.

And that 26W difference in the GTX and UT60 at 100RPM only translate to maybe a 1-2C difference, if that. Plus all Martin's testing is done with a single set of fans. Add push-pull and those numbers would likely change. I went with a GTX, because I knew I was going to have room for push-pull. If I would only have room for one or the other, then I would have gone with a UT60
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Yes, I would say the SR1 is pretty much on par with the ST30 performance wise. I would recommend the SR1. However the ST30 has more ports, screw protectors, and all copper construction.

False. The ST30 has the same number of ports as the SR1 and GTX, and most every other radiator for that matter. The ST30 only has two ports. The XT45 and up have multiple ports
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What has hitting someone with one got to do with it? Neither would be all that great for that.

If you don't mind random fin spacings, rads full of crud so that they can be used as maracas then Alphacool is great.

Everything Alphacool is budget. I'm surprised anyone would argue with that given how notorious they are.
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Others are disagreeing with me on the Alphacool rads.
This is unprecedented.

However, I will agree with loose stuff radling inside the rad. One of my 6 rads has that problem. But it will not be an issue once full of water.

As for uneven fin spacing, I would have to use a ruler and my reading glasses to veryfy this claim. Viisual inspection reveiled no such thing just now. And why is evenly spaced fins important anyway?
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