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Your GPU is to weak for that

You pretty much force your monitor to scale a higher rez down to your monitor's normal rez.

Also you don't want 64bit version of XP, you will never find drivers. As you can't use your 32bit drivers on it.
Get windows 8.1 if you want to go 64bit.

Yeah, my GPU is weak for it but if I can always get good AA in games that don't natively support it, I'd go out and buy a more high end card ASAP. Before that, I'd want to make sure this method is reliably in Windows 7 first, and not some driver feature that will be there one version and gone the next. As I said, I had this feature before and then not anymore so I'm questioning it.

People also say it has issues with Win8, but if it's not actually reliably in Win7 I can't count that against Win8.
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Also you don't want 64bit version of XP, you will never find drivers.

If you have a 64-bit CPU, you generally want XP x64, if you want XP at all.

XP x64 has had respectable driver support for a very long time.
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If you could, please outline some things you like about 8.1 over 7. As I said, I am also considering skipping 7 altogether and jumping to 8 since it'd last longer.

Please give me proof that Windows XP is not as good at 7 with it's use of Multiple cores. Everything I've read leads me to believe that statement is falst in the majority of tasks, and even 32-bit vs 64-bit is irrelevant for a lot too.

DX11 is not important, and going to 7 for DX11 support is already jumping on an outdated bandwagon, 11.1 is out, and Windows 8 will probably be the only receiver of DX12.

XP XP 32-Bit will only give me 3.5GB of RAM.

As far as I know, the only real limitation Windows XP has in terms of RAM when looking at both Operating Systems in 64-bit mode is Windows XP can only address 2GB per-process, while 7 supports 4GB per-process. Both systems can use total system RAM far above our hardware's capabilities. Unless you can find a consumer motherboard that allows 128GB of RAM.
Anyone know the per-process memory limit for Windows 8? I'm curious about that, couldn't find it easily on google.

The UI? I think the opposite, but it's not important. If I can find something cool in 7 I'll deal with it.
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Well The Task Scheduler has more to do with running a bunch of single thread apps vs running a single app that already has multithread built in. Windows assigns what core to run on. Windows 7/8 is just more efficient at it. XP was designed with single core in mind and was later adapted for multicore. Windows 7/8 will just feel faster when working with a lot of things.

Also XP doesn't support TRIM, which is highly recommended for SSDs.

IDK I use XP at work and hate it, but that is just me I guess. XP is pretty old now though IMO time to let it die.


As for 7 vs 8

There are a bunch of nice improvements.

First would be The Metro UI that surprisingly doesn't make the OS more bogged down. In fact windows 8 uses less RAM and slightly more responsive then 7. Also Doesn't eat up as much V-RAM, though disabling desktop composition on windows 7 will free up even more v-ram then 8 does. Plus there are a few Metro Gems like the Netflix app that blows using the web based version away.

The Improved copying system, No longer do you have to wait for your copy to finish to stat another one. Windows 8 will queue copy requests, so you don't slow down copy speed because it wants to copy everything at once. And the UI for the Copying system is improved.

The New Task Manger is also a nice improvement, and one of those things that really needed the update.

The Ribbon UI is welcomed by me as well, though not everyone might like this at first.

Better Multi Monitor support, taskbar spans across all your monitors. No need to run a 3rd party program to get this feature as it is built in.

Better Game performance, well smoother game performance IMO.

There are probably more but just can't think of them

A few flaws such as needed to install something like start8 IMO. Made it hard to setup ad hoc, what is something I used to do on my laptop at my buddies house but windows 8 can no longer do so.

And probably a few others but not a biggie in my books.
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If you have a 64-bit CPU, you generally want XP x64, if you want XP at all.

XP x64 has had respectable driver support for a very long time.

Most modern motherboards will not give you XP 64bit drivers only 32bit.

So if windows doesn't have the drivers for something like Ethernet controller then your are probably SOL.


Though after looking up his MOBO it has full support for xp 64bit.

Not that I would recommend him jumping ship to the same 13yo OS.
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Well The Task Scheduler has more to do with running a bunch of single thread apps vs running a single app that already has multithread built in. Windows assigns what core to run on. Windows 7/8 is just more efficient at it. XP was designed with single core in mind and was later adapted for multicore. Windows 7/8 will just feel faster when working with a lot of things.

Also XP doesn't support TRIM, which is highly recommended for SSDs.

IDK I use XP at work and hate it, but that is just me I guess. XP is pretty old now though IMO time to let it die.


As for 7 vs 8

There are a bunch of nice improvements.

First would be The Metro UI that surprisingly doesn't make the OS more bogged down. In fact windows 8 uses less RAM and slightly more responsive then 7. Also Doesn't eat up as much V-RAM, though disabling desktop composition on windows 7 will free up even more v-ram then 8 does. Plus there are a few Metro Gems like the Netflix app that blows using the web based version away.

The Improved copying system, No longer do you have to wait for your copy to finish to stat another one. Windows 8 will queue copy requests, so you don't slow down copy speed because it wants to copy everything at once. And the UI for the Copying system is improved.

The New Task Manger is also a nice improvement, and one of those things that really needed the update.

The Ribbon UI is welcomed by me as well, though not everyone might like this at first.

Better Multi Monitor support, taskbar spans across all your monitors. No need to run a 3rd party program to get this feature as it is built in.

Better Game performance, well smoother game performance IMO.

There are probably more but just can't think of them

A few flaws such as needed to install something like start8 IMO. Made it hard to setup ad hoc, what is something I used to do on my laptop at my buddies house but windows 8 can no longer do so.

And probably a few others but not a biggie in my books.

Perhaps there is an improvement in multi-tasking in Win7/8 but I have yet to notice one, I guess it's something I'll just eventually notice after using it for a while rather than something I can test quick and easily.

The queuing up of copy commands is a nice feature.

I often use my second monitor for simply extra windows, or for shows/movies while gaming/browsing. I like the clock on the bottom right of my center one and wouldn't like the start bar on a 3rd monitor all the way to the left. Is there an option in Windows 8 to disable the taskbar spanning? If so, awesome.

I do not like the Ribbon at all, and apparently it is present in the Windows Explorer rather than just in select programs. Is this toggleable or "forced" on Win8?

As for game performance, I don't really see how Win8 could be better than 7, after all game performance is determined mostly by hardware, but how is Windows 8 for older games? Have you ran into any problems running an old game like Diablo 2 on Win8 yet for example?

I don't exactly like the look of the new task manager in Windows 8, but the ability to monitor network usage right next to the processes is definitely an improvement. It'd take getting used to but in the end THAT would be a pretty cool feature. Are you able to un-dock tabs on the task manager by any chance? Or open multiple instances of it?

Thanks for the info you gave so far.
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Most modern motherboards will not give you XP 64bit drivers only 32bit.

So if windows doesn't have the drivers for something like Ethernet controller then your are probably SOL.

Intel, AMD, Realtek, etc, all tend to have perfectly functional XP x64 drivers for their chipsets and and on-board components.

I cannot think of any on-board gigabit ethernet controller that doesn't have XP x64 drivers. Intel, Realtek, Broadcom, Marvell, Atheros....I can find XP x64 drivers for all of them.
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I am not looking for regurgitated information, I am legitimately looking for people to point out features I may have missed or some things that are actually good. Perhaps they changed something since I last used it, and something I posted here is inaccurate. If so, tell me that it's "Fixed" and I'll gladly take that off my list of things I disliked.

Sorry but I've got better things to do with my time this week. I've read all of your responses in this thread and it's argumentative (almost a combative stance). You don't have a single shred of open mindedness regarding this topic. It's clear to me you've just posted for the benefit of gaining an argument on this. You've made up your mind and your arguments (while I heavily disagree with them) are your own.
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Sorry but I've got better things to do with my time this week. I've read all of your responses in this thread and it's argumentative (almost a combative stance). You don't have a single shred of open mindedness regarding this topic. It's clear to me you've just posted for the benefit of gaining an argument on this. You've made up your mind and your arguments (while I heavily disagree with them) are your own.

Nobody is forcing you to stay, sorry you feel that way but it is not exactly true.
People keep bringing up things that do not appear to be true, and cannot really be proven. I was hoping for more things being pointed out, but I guess I was asking too much. I didn't want to hear how people like the new UI, or think XP is Ugly, I'm looking for features and additions. Some have been nice enough to point some out, while others have not really offered much in that department.

So far I have gotten information about Windows 8 that is interesting enough for me to consider getting that, when at first I was looking at windows 7 to avoid windows 8. If that's closed-minded, then I am welded shut.
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I'm sure if there actually is a collection of awesome things I've missed hearing about, you guys would be the ones happy to tell me about them.
If you have used Windows XP, then switched to Windows 7 and started regularly using one of it's features not present in XP, please tell me about it.
If you've got links to a list of features in Windows 7 that are not in Windows XP, please link me to that. I'm not looking for a features list that includes stuff that's been in Windows OS's for years.

    Right off, ignoring the things you already listed, six additional things I really like about Windows 7 over XP are:

  1. The new audio system, where there is no input mixer, but each input is listed as a separate recording device.  This makes it much easier to ensure that you're recording from a specific input, since you can simply select the desired input (mic, line-in, front mic) as the device to record from in your recording software.  In XP, all you could do was select the soundcard as the recording device and hope that the correct input was selected in the mixer and that the others were muted.  Windows 7's new audio system also allows recording from multiple inputs at a time on sound devices that support it (like the ALC888, which allows recording from two stereo inputs at the same time), since all the inputs appear as separate devices.
  2. Aero/DWM buffer the screen so that applications aren't drawing directly to the screen.  This means that programs don't have to redraw themselves when they are exposed, thus improving redraw speeds and the responsiveness of various windows when moving and resizing programs.  The flip side is that the DWM (desktop window manager) doesn't support screen capturing faster than ~15 FPS.  In Windows 7, it can be turned off if you need smooth screen capturing.  I also like the Aero look better than the XP look.  FWIW, in XP, Zune was also my favorite theme—except for the wallpaper. wink.gif
  3. Windows 7 is much more stable (less crashing) than Windows XP and it multi-tasks more smoothly.  Programs using a lot of CPU don't reduce the computer to a crawl as easily as in XP.  Windows 9x/ME were really bad at this, where a single deadlocked program could freeze the entire computer.
  4. Supports 64-bit and there a plenty of 64-bit drivers available compared to XP.
  5. The installation disc also functions as a system recovery disc, and it is a whole lot more user friendly than XP's recovery console (or installation wizard, for that matter).  You can edit the registry and browse disks/copy files with a UI, unlike the XP recovery console.  And Windows 7's Startup Repair can frequently repair issues that are causing the system not to boot.
  6. The Superfetcher, which watches file usage patterns and preloads frequently used files into unused RAM, basically creating a "virtual RAM drive" that can retrieve those files very quickly when needed, thus making programs load faster.

    That said, I also (like you) have a large list of things I like better about Windows XP over Windows 7.  Windows Explorer also has a few nasty bugs and missing features in Windows 7 compared to XP.  Microsoft steadfastly refuses to fix them, choosing to fix the definite bugs only in Windows 8. tongue.gif
 
 
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-Windows 7 does not allow you to set an uncompressed/lossless Desktop Background. (This is able to be side-stepped, but not solved, AFAIK)
-Windows 7 cannot view Animated GIFs. (There is no solution to this issue)

    I don't think XP can do those things either (if I'm wrong, let me know).  I solve both problems with IrfanView.  It can display animated GIFs and can set the wallpaper losslessly just fine.
 
 
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I do not like the Ribbon at all, and apparently it is present in the Windows Explorer rather than just in select programs. Is this toggleable or "forced" on Win8?

    No, it is forced in Windows 8.  I hate the ribbon in Explorer and Word since it is a huge waste of vertical space (now at a premium on 16:9 LCD monitors) compared to the efficient and small menu bar and toolbar that it replaces.
 
 
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I don't see why you would switch to windows 7 at this point. Windows 8 has all the advantages of 7, and with a $5 start menu addon, you can easily never see the metro interface again...

    Classic Shell can bring back the Start Menu for free, and it is very customizable. smile.gif  As far as never seeing Metro again...it is embedded into the OS in multiple areas, and there are settings you can no longer change from the Control Panel and now have to use the Settings Metro app to change. tongue.gif
 
 
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I've yet to hear a valid complaint about 8 that wasn't about metro.

    Then apparently you haven't seen this. redface.gif
 
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