Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel CPUs › i5 3570k vs. 4670k
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

i5 3570k vs. 4670k

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hey all,

I am having trouble deciding which processor to put in my new build. The primary purpose behind the build is gaming, specifically aimed at Arma 3. From my understanding, this particular game is both cpu and gpu demanding, so I do plan on doing a mild overclock perhaps 4.2-4.5 depending on what I can get for temps. I understand that the 1150 socket is a newer design and perhaps more "future proof" (if there is such a thing) but what I don't understand is what the true difference between the two processors is, and what one affords me over the other.

So, a few of my questions;

Is one easier to OC than the other?

Am I going to notice a difference in performance between the two processors given the same overclock?

Am I going to have trouble keeping temps down with the haswell?

I have read tons of stuff on the net, but it is getting harder and harder to sift through opinions to find facts. I trust you gents will sort it out for me, I appreciate your help.

Buck
post #2 of 13
Even if the 4670k wasn't faster than the 3570k, when you "invest" in tech you always, always buy new tech, always. This is like "Computer Tech Buyer 101".

The reason is, the resell value of the CPU drops every year, so if you want to -partially- fund your next future build by selling the CPU you are going to buy now, you are losing money by buying an old tech CPU.

Personally, I never buy used CPU's as well. They are like lame horses waiting for a bullet to put them out of their misery. You won't believe the abuse most ppl throw at them, and with the degradation due to electromigration phenomenon well documented, there is absolutely no reason to buy one.
QX 9650: Retired
(17 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 Asus P5Q DELUXE Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Super Overclock GSKILL Trident Extreme Performance Memory F2-88... 
RAMRAMRAMHard Drive
GSKILL Trident Extreme Performance Memory F2-88... GSKILL Trident Extreme Performance Memory F2-88... GSKILL Trident Extreme Performance Memory F2-88... Western Digital Caviar Blue 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Western Digital Caviar Blue Thermaltake Frio Overclock King Windows 7 Professional  Philips FTV 32PFL5605H, 32'' 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Comfort Curve Silverstone Strider Gold, 850W Cooler Master Cosmos RC 1000 Microsoft Intelli Mouse 
Audio
SoundBlaster Audigy 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel® Core™ i7-4770K Processor Asus Maximus VI Hero Palit GameRock NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GDDR... G.SKILL ARES F3-2400C11Q-32GAB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD Blue 6TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive WD Blue 6TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive Samsung 840 Evo 500 GB Samsung 750 Evo 120 GB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG GDR-H30N DVD-ROM DRIVE Thermaltake Frio Overclock King Windows 7 Professional  Acer Predator X34 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Comfort Curve Silverstone Strider Gold, 850W Corsair 780T Sharkoon M20 Gaming Mouse 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 4 Northwood@3.06 GHz with HT Single Cor... Intel 845 PE Brookdale based Toshiba BTR80 on T... Nvidia GeForce4 460 Go DDR1 1GB 
RAMHard DriveOS
DDR1 1GB Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD2500BEVE 250GB Windows XP 32bit Home Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
QX 9650: Retired
(17 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 Asus P5Q DELUXE Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Super Overclock GSKILL Trident Extreme Performance Memory F2-88... 
RAMRAMRAMHard Drive
GSKILL Trident Extreme Performance Memory F2-88... GSKILL Trident Extreme Performance Memory F2-88... GSKILL Trident Extreme Performance Memory F2-88... Western Digital Caviar Blue 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Western Digital Caviar Blue Thermaltake Frio Overclock King Windows 7 Professional  Philips FTV 32PFL5605H, 32'' 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Comfort Curve Silverstone Strider Gold, 850W Cooler Master Cosmos RC 1000 Microsoft Intelli Mouse 
Audio
SoundBlaster Audigy 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel® Core™ i7-4770K Processor Asus Maximus VI Hero Palit GameRock NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GDDR... G.SKILL ARES F3-2400C11Q-32GAB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD Blue 6TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive WD Blue 6TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive Samsung 840 Evo 500 GB Samsung 750 Evo 120 GB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG GDR-H30N DVD-ROM DRIVE Thermaltake Frio Overclock King Windows 7 Professional  Acer Predator X34 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Comfort Curve Silverstone Strider Gold, 850W Corsair 780T Sharkoon M20 Gaming Mouse 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 4 Northwood@3.06 GHz with HT Single Cor... Intel 845 PE Brookdale based Toshiba BTR80 on T... Nvidia GeForce4 460 Go DDR1 1GB 
RAMHard DriveOS
DDR1 1GB Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD2500BEVE 250GB Windows XP 32bit Home Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 13
I'd wait just a few more weeks for Haswell Refresh, its my understanding that the 9 series Chipset will support up and coming Broadwell Processors so at least you'd have an upgrade path for newer chips later this year or next.
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 13
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck0613 View Post

Hey all,

I am having trouble deciding which processor to put in my new build. The primary purpose behind the build is gaming, specifically aimed at Arma 3. From my understanding, this particular game is both cpu and gpu demanding, so I do plan on doing a mild overclock perhaps 4.2-4.5 depending on what I can get for temps. I understand that the 1150 socket is a newer design and perhaps more "future proof" (if there is such a thing) but what I don't understand is what the true difference between the two processors is, and what one affords me over the other.

So, a few of my questions;

Is one easier to OC than the other?

Am I going to notice a difference in performance between the two processors given the same overclock?

Am I going to have trouble keeping temps down with the haswell?

I have read tons of stuff on the net, but it is getting harder and harder to sift through opinions to find facts. I trust you gents will sort it out for me, I appreciate your help.



Here's how to put that new rig in your sig:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1258253/how-to-put-your-rig-in-your-sig/0_20
Buck

Welcome to OCN smile.gif

If both setups are priced around the same, then go for the 4670K. It has a lot more OC'ing options than IB and is a lot more fun to toy with.

IB (& SB) is basically a Multiplier and a Vcore setting away from being done, while Haswell has moved some of the VRM circuitry from the Mobo onto the CPU packaging itself which made things more interesting in Bios settings/options.

Both can get hot when OC'ing past 4.5GHz without Delidding unless you have a custom loop.
TheSadFlute
(16 items)
 
DyingHeart
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
  hide details  
Reply
TheSadFlute
(16 items)
 
DyingHeart
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Appreciate the input.

This is only my second build and on the first I ended up buying parts that were overpriced and unnecessary. That's why I am so cautious in buying parts for this build.

Sounds like I should go with the haswell, prices are within a few bucks of each other. I should be able to get to my target overclock with the Haswell? I am looking to stay on air, probably the Noctua ND-h14.

Can anyone advise me on a motherboard under $160 that would support SLI and also have good features for overclocking?

Once again, thank you

Buck
post #6 of 13
6cores with HT is futureproof but a quad core?no way
  
Reply
  
Reply
post #7 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck0613 View Post

Appreciate the input.

This is only my second build and on the first I ended up buying parts that were overpriced and unnecessary. That's why I am so cautious in buying parts for this build.

Sounds like I should go with the haswell, prices are within a few bucks of each other. I should be able to get to my target overclock with the Haswell? I am looking to stay on air, probably the Noctua ND-h14.

Can anyone advise me on a motherboard under $160 that would support SLI and also have good features for overclocking?

Once again, thank you

Buck

This is my board. I have my 4670k at 4.7ghz for my 24/7 clocks. I am also running sli.


http://www.amazon.com/Asus-Z87-PLUS-DDR3-1600-Motherboard/dp/B00CRJSX5Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393981168&sr=8-1&keywords=z87+plus
Cable box
(24 items)
 
Phat Bits
(16 items)
 
Lament Box
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4790K 4.8ghz @ 1.245v Asus Maximus Hero VI 4GB Asus Strix GTX 980 Gskil Trident 2400 CL10 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
128GB sandisk extreme SSD 2 tb Western digital media intel 530 128 gb SSD External LG BD RW 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK Coolstream 360mm PE Rad  Gentle typhoon AP-15 X 3 Fractal Design 140mm 1000RPM X3 Fractal Design Venturi High Flow Series 140mm F... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Bitspower DDC Heatsink Black EK Coolstream XTC 140mm Rad EK Supremecy MX  EK FC980 Strix Water Block 
CoolingCoolingOSKeyboard
swiftech MCP-35X EK XRES 140 DDC Top WIN 7 ULTIMATE smk link 
PowerCaseMouseOther
Seasonic G-750  Fractal Design R5 G700s HDHOMERUN 3 TUNER CABLE CARD 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4770k 4.5ghz @1.29v asus z87-A EVGA 4gb GTX 970 FTW 1510mhz 8000mem 1.23v Adata XPG 8GB @ 2400mhz 11-13-13-35-1 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
OCZ VERTEX 3 90GB 1tb 7200 Seagate hybrid  D5 vario Primo chill 120mm D5 Compression Res 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCR-320 XP 360mm rad Swiftech MCR-320 XP 120mm rad EK Supreme LTX Cpu block Biitspower ACX GTX 970 Water block 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
win7 64bit ultimate G13 Seasonic M211 620 watt Nzxt Guardian 
  hide details  
Reply
Cable box
(24 items)
 
Phat Bits
(16 items)
 
Lament Box
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4790K 4.8ghz @ 1.245v Asus Maximus Hero VI 4GB Asus Strix GTX 980 Gskil Trident 2400 CL10 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
128GB sandisk extreme SSD 2 tb Western digital media intel 530 128 gb SSD External LG BD RW 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK Coolstream 360mm PE Rad  Gentle typhoon AP-15 X 3 Fractal Design 140mm 1000RPM X3 Fractal Design Venturi High Flow Series 140mm F... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Bitspower DDC Heatsink Black EK Coolstream XTC 140mm Rad EK Supremecy MX  EK FC980 Strix Water Block 
CoolingCoolingOSKeyboard
swiftech MCP-35X EK XRES 140 DDC Top WIN 7 ULTIMATE smk link 
PowerCaseMouseOther
Seasonic G-750  Fractal Design R5 G700s HDHOMERUN 3 TUNER CABLE CARD 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4770k 4.5ghz @1.29v asus z87-A EVGA 4gb GTX 970 FTW 1510mhz 8000mem 1.23v Adata XPG 8GB @ 2400mhz 11-13-13-35-1 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
OCZ VERTEX 3 90GB 1tb 7200 Seagate hybrid  D5 vario Primo chill 120mm D5 Compression Res 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCR-320 XP 360mm rad Swiftech MCR-320 XP 120mm rad EK Supreme LTX Cpu block Biitspower ACX GTX 970 Water block 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
win7 64bit ultimate G13 Seasonic M211 620 watt Nzxt Guardian 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 13
If you haven't purchased parts yet, I believe the i5-2500K is one of the best overclockers out there. You can probably find them used for around $130-150, and motherboards for around $60 or so.

As far as future proofing goes.. don't bother tongue.gif

LGA 1155 lasted a few years, now they're onto LGA 1150.. in another couple years, they will probably have another socket. After all, this is Intel we're talking about and not AMD haha

When it boils down to performance though, I don't think you'll notice any difference between the 3570K and 4670K at stock. I'll let the pro OC'ers comment on which one is a better overclocker. I'd be more concerned about RAM, GPU, and the type of storage you plan on using (protip: always go SSD)
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys. Keep the input coming, but as of right now I am leaning towards the haswell...

wirerat I will check out that motherboard, seems like a solid oc'er

Has anybody used the msi z87-g45 "gaming" motherboard? seems like its got a lot of features. $139 at newegg right now and a $10 mail in rebate.
post #10 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arxontas View Post

Even if the 4670k wasn't faster than the 3570k, when you "invest" in tech you always, always buy new tech, always. This is like "Computer Tech Buyer 101".

The reason is, the resell value of the CPU drops every year, so if you want to -partially- fund your next future build by selling the CPU you are going to buy now, you are losing money by buying an old tech CPU.

Personally, I never buy used CPU's as well. They are like lame horses waiting for a bullet to put them out of their misery. You won't believe the abuse most ppl throw at them, and with the degradation due to electromigration phenomenon well documented, there is absolutely no reason to buy one.

not always true, i wish i had got a 2500k instead of the 3570k knowing the solder/tim crap
 
M9400
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570k Asus P8Z77-V Gigabyte GTX 670 2x Patriot 4GB @ 1600mhz 9-9-9-24 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Caviar Black 1.5TB Mushkin Chronos Sata3 60gb for caching LG DVD-RW 24x HYPER 212 EVO 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
3x Antec tricool 120mm Windows 7 BENQ XL2420TX Sidewinder x4 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair TX850v2 zalman z11 zalman m300 generic ebay mousepad 
Audio
logitech G930 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom 9750 ECS AM2 mobo gigabyte HD 5850 4x Hynix 2gb 800mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 750gb 7200rpm sony 16x dvd rw windows 7 22inch acer LCD 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
generic HP kb tuniq 650w psu M9400 generic hp mice 
  hide details  
Reply
 
M9400
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570k Asus P8Z77-V Gigabyte GTX 670 2x Patriot 4GB @ 1600mhz 9-9-9-24 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Caviar Black 1.5TB Mushkin Chronos Sata3 60gb for caching LG DVD-RW 24x HYPER 212 EVO 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
3x Antec tricool 120mm Windows 7 BENQ XL2420TX Sidewinder x4 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair TX850v2 zalman z11 zalman m300 generic ebay mousepad 
Audio
logitech G930 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom 9750 ECS AM2 mobo gigabyte HD 5850 4x Hynix 2gb 800mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 750gb 7200rpm sony 16x dvd rw windows 7 22inch acer LCD 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
generic HP kb tuniq 650w psu M9400 generic hp mice 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Intel CPUs
Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel CPUs › i5 3570k vs. 4670k