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The first generation V300 (which was sampled to media) used Toshiba's 19nm Toggle-Mode 2.0 NAND but some time ago Kingston silently switched to Micron's 20nm asynchronous NAND. The difference between the two is that the Toggle-Mode 2.0 interface in the Toshiba NAND is good for up to 200MB/s, whereas the asynchronous interface is usually only good for only ~50MB/s. The reason I say usually is that Kingston wasn't willing to go into details about the speed of the asynchronous NAND they use and the ONFI spec doesn't list maximum bandwidth for the single data rate (i.e. asynchronous) NAND. However, even though we lack the specifics of the asynchronous NAND, it's certain that we are dealing with slower NAND here and Kingston admitted that the Micron NAND isn't capable of the same performance as the older Toshiba NAND.

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I'm actually quite upset by this. I bought a 120 GB V300 just last week for my girlfriend and noticed it wasn't as fast as I was expecting. Sure enough when I tested it against my Samsung SSD in my laptop the results were all over the place. I didn't take a screenshot but I will when I get the chance. This is pretty dirty on Kingston's part, I won't be buying any of their products again.
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Well after buying one of these slower SSDs, I made a promise to never buy ANY Kingston product ever again.
Real shady stuff here Kingston.
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Well after buying one of these slower SSDs, I made a promise to never buy ANY Kingston product ever again.
Real shady stuff here Kingston.

I would avoid all of the "entry level" SSD's like plague. Hell, a 32 GB Crucial v4 had worse performance than 4 years old low rpm 250 GB laptop drive when over 75% full. It's THAT bad. Then it died, went through RMA, Crucial refused to let me to "upgrade" to m4 stating that they will send only the same product back. Now it's sitting in my shelf in the same package it arrived in from thew RMA.

Putting one of these slows your computer down compared even to a dying HDD on it's last leg.
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discusses here about 2 months ago.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1457629/psa-about-the-kingston-v300-ssd-probable-foul-play-by-kingston/0_20

but seems Kingston is now fessing up to it in the OP article.


I bought a 60 gig V300 a week or so ago and have not had a chance to test it yet.
Seems the initial problem was with 120 gig drives, but has moved to others now. Need to test mine to decide if I will keep it. It will be used on an old SATA I laptop, so I don't think it would be an issue either way.

edit: Seems my 60 gig is the older v505 model, the v506 is the one with the slower NAND.
Need to get it put into a computer with SATA III to test it though.
Edited by blupupher - 3/4/14 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by blupupher View Post

discusses here about 2 months ago.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1457629/psa-about-the-kingston-v300-ssd-probable-foul-play-by-kingston/0_20

but seems Kingston is now fessing up to it in the OP article.


I bought a 60 gig V300 a week or so ago and have not had a chance to test it yet.
Seems the initial problem was with 120 gig drives, but has moved to others now. Need to test mine to decide if I will keep it. It will be used on an old SATA I laptop, so I don't think it would be an issue either way.

Well my laptop is sata 2 and I can actually "feel" the v300 in my girlfriends laptop being a bit slower despite my laptops controller bottlenecking the performance. Its still a lot faster don't get me wrong but sending out a product for review then altering it so its inferior just pisses me off.
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And just some days ago I was thing about those drives....65$ for a 120GB...but not anymore
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The crucial thing is to find out where the drives were manufactured.

Last time I checked the drives made in Taiwan (you'll find this on the sticker on the SSD itself) were full fat full speed, and the drives labelled China were the slow, inferior nand variety (505 Firmware).

I do not know if the new firmware makes this finding obsolete, or they are all now manufactured in China from FW 506 onwards, but this was the easy way to tell if you had a good 'un or the bait 'n' switch rubbish...
Edited by skummm - 3/5/14 at 4:57pm
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Im running 4 of the v300 240gb drives in Raid 0. Bought two at a time about a year apart. While the label and enclosure itself is different between them I feel like they are realistically as fast as one might expect. The second set of drives was purchased in January of this year. All four were made in Taiwan.

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Im running 4 of the v300 240gb drives in Raid 0. Bought two at a time about a year apart. While the label and enclosure itself is different between them I feel like they are realistically as fast as one might expect. The second set of drives was purchased in January of this year. All four were made in Taiwan.


Would it be possible to bench mark them seperatly out of RAID? Or would that be too much of a hassle.
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As far as my knowledge goes I would have to dismantle the raid setup and would more than likely require a full setup/reformat afterwards. If anybody knows of a way to test a single drive without destroying my partition data i would be willing to do it. Either that or wait until late may when i will have more time available to actually reformat.
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