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I'm debating if its worth it to return the thing. Granted, I am massively disappointed but returning it would require taking the laptop apart again, driving a half hour back to micro center, and being stuck with the old 5400 rpm HDD. Its also a big improvement over her mechanical one but I'm quite lazy. smile.gif
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Well it *used* to be thought that 505 firmware + a Taiwan manufacture on the label = a good drive and a China manufacture on the label and a 505 or 506 Firmware = a bad drive but recently I have seen people reporting results that shed doubt on that quick check so yeah... benchmarks wink.gif

@ Deadboy90

It looks like you just have the standard drivers installed for the laptop, if it is Intel based then grab these

It is best to extract them to a folder, then navigate to folder, open a admin cmd.exe and use the command setup -overall thumb.gif

well mine are all made in taiwan. I'm using linux, I know there are some command line hd benchmark utilities but i'm too lazy to bother learning the syntax of those.
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Spend a few more bucks, stick with Plextor/Intel/high end Samsung (non-TLC), and you won't have to worry about shady business like this...

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for.

TLC is fine, its been proven to last over 20 years and the EVO is one of the fastest Samsung drives (TLC)
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Never had any idea that SSD speeds were so all over the place between brands. I knew there were significant differences, but not to this extent. Here's my Corsair Force GS, which claims read/write speeds of 560/535:


All the SSDs claimed speeds are in ATTO, using compressible data. Programs like AS SSD which uses incompressible data shows the "worse" speed of your drive (aka the more likely speeds)
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Well it *used* to be thought that 505 firmware + a Taiwan manufacture on the label = a good drive and a China manufacture on the label and a 505 or 506 Firmware = a bad drive but recently I have seen people reporting results that shed doubt on that quick check so yeah... benchmarks wink.gif

@ Deadboy90

It looks like you just have the standard drivers installed for the laptop, if it is Intel based then grab these

It is best to extract them to a folder, then navigate to folder, open a admin cmd.exe and use the command setup -overall thumb.gif

Wait what did you link? What is it? And its an AMD laptop, a Sony VAIO Y.
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I saw this thread few times for this week, but did not read. Yesterday I went to microcenter to get htpc build. After putting everything together I started to cut corners on bill and changed Samsung Evo $90 on this for $70. doh.gif
I put my 60Gb Crucial C300 to htpc build and took this 120Gb to my rig. Probably need to go and exchange.
What is better Crucial M500 or Samsung Evo.
It is real world difference or just synthetic benchmarks?



1 Hour later.
I checked my BIOS and saw IDE mode for SATA. I switch to AHCI, but windows failed to run. So I did reinstall. Here is numbers in ACHI mode.



I exchanged v300 on samsung 840 evo for $20 more and got much better speed.

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I saw this thread few times for this week, but did not read. Yesterday I went to microcenter to get htpc build. After putting everything together I started to cut corners on bill and changed Samsung Evo $90 on this for $70. doh.gif
I put my 60Gb Crucial C300 to htpc build and took this 120Gb to my rig. Probably need to go and exchange.
What is better Crucial M500 or Samsung Evo.
It is real world difference or just synthetic benchmarks?



1 Hour later.
I checked my BIOS and saw IDE mode for SATA. I switch to AHCI, but windows failed to run. So I did reinstall. Here is numbers in ACHI mode.


Yup those are about the numbers I was getting. Check a few pages back for my benchmarks.
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Just out of curiosity I tested my momentus xt 750gb and I guess these would be the worse case scenario numbers for that drive since the ssd cache accelerates boot times I'm not sure that drive is worth the money, sequential read and write are faster but for the money I think a hybrid drive would be a better investment than this kingston, correct me if I'm wrong of course. It's obviously not as fast in non accelerated workloads but I'm pretty sure once its cached your boot files & frequent programs it'll be at least as fast as that thing is.




Found some benchmarks to support a hybrid would be a better investment.





Found @ http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/momentus-xt-750gb-review,3223-4.html
Edited by DeviousMachine - 3/9/14 at 9:01am
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Just out of curiosity I tested my momentus xt 750gb and I guess these would be the worse case scenario numbers for that drive since the ssd cache accelerates boot times I'm not sure that drive is worth the money, sequential read and write are faster but for the money I think a hybrid drive would be a better investment than this kingston, correct me if I'm wrong of course. It's obviously not as fast in non accelerated workloads but I'm pretty sure once its cached your boot files & frequent programs it'll be at least as fast as that thing is.




Found some benchmarks to support a hybrid would be a better investment.





Found @ http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/momentus-xt-750gb-review,3223-4.html

Sadly, as an early Toms and I think Anand article covered as well...unless you have the crappiest of crap SSD (IE the Crucial V4s) then as you can see from your score with your XT it gets killed in everything but Sequential loads even against the bad versions of these v300s. Which is kind of the point of SSDs isn't it? I don't want to keep sounding like I defend Kingston as I'd be upset for being deceived if I had bought one of these; but people need to be a little more dispassionate about things so they don't make mistakes. The if you're looking at an XT and V300(or any SSD) for the same goal...you're doing something wrong.
     
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The point I was trying to make is that with a bad ssd like this v300 version there is not going to be a perceivable difference in performance between the v300 & cached files on the xt. At that point my options go from do I want an SSD or do I want storage space? I certainly don't see the point in such a slow SSD you are sacrificing more for the "ssd" feel than you will gain in the end, the curcial m4 is lightyears ahead of this v300 and the xt but I would wager you will be hard pressed to tell the difference in day to day use between this v300 and the momentus xt that was the point I was trying to address.
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The point I was trying to make is that with a bad ssd like this v300 version there is not going to be a perceivable difference in performance between the v300 & cached files on the xt. At that point my options go from do I want an SSD or do I want storage space? I certainly don't see the point in such a slow SSD you are sacrificing more for the "ssd" feel than you will gain in the end, the curcial m4 is lightyears ahead of this v300 and the xt but I would wager you will be hard pressed to tell the difference in day to day use between this v300 and the momentus xt that was the point I was trying to address.
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The point I was trying to make is that with a bad ssd like this v300 version there is not going to be a perceivable difference in performance between the v300 & cached files on the xt. At that point my options go from do I want an SSD or do I want storage space? I certainly don't see the point in such a slow SSD you are sacrificing more for the "ssd" feel than you will gain in the end, the curcial m4 is lightyears ahead of this v300 and the xt but I would wager you will be hard pressed to tell the difference in day to day use between this v300 and the momentus xt that was the point I was trying to address.

Being as a hybrid drive only caches a limited number of files since the SSD portion is so small, you would be able to tell the difference if you game or are all over in every cranny of windows like me. The only similarity would likely be in boot times and that's only after the Hybrid drive learns the boot patterns and copies it to the SSD.
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