Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD - General › AMD build, please review
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

AMD build, please review - Page 2

post #11 of 55
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by diggiddi View Post

I dunno if the Graphics card will support that frame rate across 3 screens, you might have to either crossfire or step up to a higher series 280x, 290, 290x etc and maybe increase wattage on PSU to 650-750w and possibly up CPU to fx 8320
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADHDadditiv View Post

I would however up your GPU to something a little beefier, something like the R9 280X or a GTX 760/770. I say this because that way you wont have to replace parts as the tech gets more advanced. Plus I've read in a couple places that people have troubles running 60fps with 660ti's. So just to be on the safe side, a beefier GPU would be better.

Thanks for the input guys. Just so we have something to work with here, I'm currently running a 6850 on my own machine. I have iRacing maxed out at 1920x1080 pushing around 70 - 90 FPS with a full grid of cars. Using that as a starting point, how much more powerful a GPU would I need to maintain at least 60 FPS at 5760x1080? rFactor and Live For Speed are even significantly easier to run pushing around 150 - 200 FPS easily on single screen with my 6850.

I want to avoid overspending, especially since the price difference between the 270 and 280X is just ridiculous, from $220 right up to $400.
post #12 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forde3654Eire View Post


Thanks for the input guys. Just so we have something to work with here, I'm currently running a 6850 on my own machine. I have iRacing maxed out at 1920x1080 pushing around 70 - 90 FPS with a full grid of cars. Using that as a starting point, how much more powerful a GPU would I need to maintain at least 60 FPS at 5760x1080? rFactor and Live For Speed are even significantly easier to run pushing around 150 - 200 FPS easily on single screen with my 6850.

I want to avoid overspending, especially since the price difference between the 270 and 280X is just ridiculous, from $220 right up to $400.
Oh wow im surprised, looks like people were wrong haha. If thats the case then yeah a 270 or a GTX 760 would be perfect. Maybe even the GTX 750ti since its a nice small card.

Oh I was also going to mention the case, take a look at the NZXT H440. Much cleaner case, especially considering its for work.
Black Jarvis V1.9
(21 items)
 
Mazdaspeed6
(18 items)
 
 
  hide details  
Reply
Black Jarvis V1.9
(21 items)
 
Mazdaspeed6
(18 items)
 
 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 55
TBH i second the suggestion to step up to like a 760 or so. Yes, it's a little more (~$30) but as more games come out that you want to play you won't have to sacrifice as much in terms of IQ. I mean, what if you keep the system as-is for 2 years, maybe longer? $220 for a 270 non-X is just too much money IMHO. If it really (as you'd mentioned) isn't taht big a deal, go for something smaller like a 750Ti and save on power draw. The reason why I shy away from recommending AMD cards atm is here they're being gouged way too much due to the mining fad.
Herschel
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4770K ASRock Z87M Extreme4 eVGA GTX 680 2GB 12GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1x 60GB SSD 1x 500GB, 1x 640GB, 1x 1TB Asus something or other Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Acer H236HLbid (23" 1920x1080) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VE198 (19". 1440x900) Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Seasonic X650 Antec P180 Mini White 
Mouse
Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
Herschel
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4770K ASRock Z87M Extreme4 eVGA GTX 680 2GB 12GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1x 60GB SSD 1x 500GB, 1x 640GB, 1x 1TB Asus something or other Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Acer H236HLbid (23" 1920x1080) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VE198 (19". 1440x900) Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Seasonic X650 Antec P180 Mini White 
Mouse
Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
post #14 of 55
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by -iceblade^ View Post

TBH i second the suggestion to step up to like a 760 or so. Yes, it's a little more (~$30) but as more games come out that you want to play you won't have to sacrifice as much in terms of IQ. I mean, what if you keep the system as-is for 2 years, maybe longer? $220 for a 270 non-X is just too much money IMHO. If it really (as you'd mentioned) isn't taht big a deal, go for something smaller like a 750Ti and save on power draw. The reason why I shy away from recommending AMD cards atm is here they're being gouged way too much due to the mining fad.

I agree. Even though iRacing and racing simulators in general are not graphically demanding... the FPS numbers are not exactly what I'm looking at here... rather, I'm looking at the price/performance ratio of the graphics cards. The R7 series are nicely priced, and 1 R9 270 on Newegg at $220... after that the pricing is just plain ridiculous. I'm really swaying towards the GTX 760, its only $30 extra on one component, unlike the jump from $220 to $400.

EDIT: I've just never used an Nvidia graphics card before, AMD only, bit nervous working with something unfamiliar to me.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-8.html
post #15 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forde3654Eire View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by -iceblade^ View Post

TBH i second the suggestion to step up to like a 760 or so. Yes, it's a little more (~$30) but as more games come out that you want to play you won't have to sacrifice as much in terms of IQ. I mean, what if you keep the system as-is for 2 years, maybe longer? $220 for a 270 non-X is just too much money IMHO. If it really (as you'd mentioned) isn't taht big a deal, go for something smaller like a 750Ti and save on power draw. The reason why I shy away from recommending AMD cards atm is here they're being gouged way too much due to the mining fad.

I agree. Even though iRacing and racing simulators in general are not graphically demanding... the FPS numbers are not exactly what I'm looking at here... rather, I'm looking at the price/performance ratio of the graphics cards. The R7 series are nicely priced, and 1 R9 270 on Newegg at $220... after that the pricing is just plain ridiculous. I'm really swaying towards the GTX 760, its only $30 extra on one component, unlike the jump from $220 to $400.

EDIT: I've just never used an Nvidia graphics card before, AMD only, bit nervous working with something unfamiliar to me.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-8.html

Don't forget that the 270 launched at an MSRP of $179 - $220 should be pretty close to getting you a 270X Hawk which I seem to recall being at that price for a short while.

Oh fair enough. It's pretty similar - some thigns will be in different places but it's not really that big a deal at least from my experience. But then I don't care so much about tinkering and tweaking with every little thing - I tend to be far more "plug and play".
Herschel
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4770K ASRock Z87M Extreme4 eVGA GTX 680 2GB 12GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1x 60GB SSD 1x 500GB, 1x 640GB, 1x 1TB Asus something or other Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Acer H236HLbid (23" 1920x1080) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VE198 (19". 1440x900) Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Seasonic X650 Antec P180 Mini White 
Mouse
Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
Herschel
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4770K ASRock Z87M Extreme4 eVGA GTX 680 2GB 12GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1x 60GB SSD 1x 500GB, 1x 640GB, 1x 1TB Asus something or other Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Acer H236HLbid (23" 1920x1080) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VE198 (19". 1440x900) Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Seasonic X650 Antec P180 Mini White 
Mouse
Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
post #16 of 55
Thread Starter 
I'm a real tinkerer biggrin.gif I have my machine about 2 years now and I'm still messing about with it, unlocked multipliers for the win!

Alright, looks like I'm settling for the 760 at $250. I might even go for this here, an EVGA non-reference design GTX 770 for $330... that is quite a beast for the money I must say. Would I need to upgrade to a 600W PSU over the 550W Seasonic the moderator suggested for either the 760 or 770?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130921
post #17 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forde3654Eire View Post

I'm a real tinkerer biggrin.gif I have my machine about 2 years now and I'm still messing about with it, unlocked multipliers for the win!

Alright, looks like I'm settling for the 760 at $250. I might even go for this here, an EVGA non-reference design GTX 770 for $330... that is quite a beast for the money I must say. Would I need to upgrade to a 600W PSU over the 550W Seasonic the moderator suggested for either the 760 or 770?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130921
You'll be fine with that 550W with any GPU you go with (within reason, a volt modded 290X with 1.5V pumped through it may be pushing it).
Define
(20 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3770K @ 4.3GHz Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ASUS GeForce GTX 980 Ti STRIX 6GB @ 1500MHz 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3 @ 2400MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB Crucial MX100 512GB Noctua NH-U14S 3x Noctua NF-A14 FLX 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Dell U2713HM Dell U2312HM Ducky Shine 3 Year of the Snake (MX Brown) 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W Fractal Design Define R5 Black Mionix Naos 7000 SteelSeries QcK 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser HD 650 Fostex TH-X00 Ebony Parasound Zdac TP-LINK Archer T9E  
CPURAMHard DriveOS
2x Intel Xeon E5-2650 (16c/32t) @ 2.8GHz 16x8GB Kingston ECC DDR3 @ 1866MHz 2x Samsung SM863 960GB ESXi 6.5u1 
Power
2x 460W Platinum 
CPURAMHard DriveHard Drive
Intel Xeon E5-2603 v3 (6c/6t) @ 1.6GHz 4x8GB Kingston ECC DDR4 @ 2133MHz 2x Samsung PM863 120GB (mirrored cache) 6x WD Red 3TB (RAIDZ2) 
OSPower
FreeNAS 11 550W Silver 
  hide details  
Reply
Define
(20 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3770K @ 4.3GHz Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ASUS GeForce GTX 980 Ti STRIX 6GB @ 1500MHz 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3 @ 2400MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB Crucial MX100 512GB Noctua NH-U14S 3x Noctua NF-A14 FLX 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Dell U2713HM Dell U2312HM Ducky Shine 3 Year of the Snake (MX Brown) 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W Fractal Design Define R5 Black Mionix Naos 7000 SteelSeries QcK 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser HD 650 Fostex TH-X00 Ebony Parasound Zdac TP-LINK Archer T9E  
CPURAMHard DriveOS
2x Intel Xeon E5-2650 (16c/32t) @ 2.8GHz 16x8GB Kingston ECC DDR3 @ 1866MHz 2x Samsung SM863 960GB ESXi 6.5u1 
Power
2x 460W Platinum 
CPURAMHard DriveHard Drive
Intel Xeon E5-2603 v3 (6c/6t) @ 1.6GHz 4x8GB Kingston ECC DDR4 @ 2133MHz 2x Samsung PM863 120GB (mirrored cache) 6x WD Red 3TB (RAIDZ2) 
OSPower
FreeNAS 11 550W Silver 
  hide details  
Reply
post #18 of 55
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by twerk View Post

You'll be fine with that 550W with any GPU you go with (within reason, a volt modded 290X with 1.5V pumped through it may be pushing it).

Thanks a million! You've all been of great help! Purchase should be within this week. Our next meeting is this coming Thursday, when our engineer will hand over the links to our sponsors to start purchase. I'll let you know if any changes should happen.

The iRacing forums are unfortunately extremely Intel CPU-biased (iRacing is DX9, prefers single-threaded), though from my own AMD CPU experience, I've had absolutely no problems, GPU-bottlenecking or similar...

Once again, thanks a lot guys smile.gif
post #19 of 55
Based on the results that these folks are getting: http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/6548-Rfactor-2-Performance-Benchmark

You'll need more than an R9 270 to play 60FPS at 5760x1080

Furthermore, older game engines that run on DX9 (which I'm assuming these games all are?) have a hard time scaling up to modern GPU strength levels (and high resolutions) as they get strung up on single threaded CPU performance when you try to make this many draw calls. Your best chance of getting rfactor (or any other older game engine that uses the DX9 API) working at 60FPS at 5760x1080P is going to be on haswell.

Best chance of success doing what you want here will be with an i5-4670K+GTX770-780. (AMD cards in this class are severely overpriced due to "mining")

Nvidia is also apt to offer a more desirable multi-monitor capability for these types of games, as Nvidia can treat the 3 monitors as EITHER a single large display (one "logical" display) OR as 3 independent logical displays. If any of the simulations you intend to use have internal support for multi-monitor, then having the monitors configured as 3 separate logical displays would be preferential. Every bit of research I have done shows that Eyefinity is limited to a number of rigidly determined display configurations that will always treat the "triple main" monitor configuration as one large display. This would defeat any internal support for multi-monitor that may have a better implementation (like looking out the "side windows" on the side monitors, for example). AMD cards with eyefinity disabled can only actually support up to 2 logical displays.

No amount of overclocking within practical limitations (~5ghz) will get the FX-6300 to perform better than an i5-4670K at STOCK clocks in games like these. It's not about being bias, it is what it is. (I just bought an FX-6300, I knew exactly what I was buying. I have no delusions about how it performs vs Haswell. Haswell is far superior in the type of workload you have in mind for this machine)


There are some DX9/10 games that will get hung up on a CPU bottleneck even with with very high overclocks on haswell, paired with mid-level GPUs. This is just how it is. These games (and APIs) were developed during an erra that was pointed towards 10GHZ CPUs. Don't let your own AMD bias get in the way of achieving your goals.
Edited by mdocod - 3/4/14 at 6:25pm
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS224V-PN Logitec K360 FSP 400W Aurum S 80+ gold Prodigy 
Mouse
logitec M235 
  hide details  
Reply
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS224V-PN Logitec K360 FSP 400W Aurum S 80+ gold Prodigy 
Mouse
logitec M235 
  hide details  
Reply
post #20 of 55
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

Furthermore, older game engines that run on DX9 (which I'm assuming these games all are?) have a hard time scaling up to modern GPU strength levels (and high resolutions) as they get strung up on single threaded CPU performance when you try to make this many draw calls. Your best chance of getting rfactor (or any other older game engine that uses the DX9 API) working at 60FPS at 5760x1080P is going to be on haswell.

Thanks for the input. I am aware of Intel's superiority in DX9 games due to single-threaded performance... however, am I correct in assuming that as long as MSI Afterburner shows my GPU usage pinned at 100%, I don't have a CPU issue? And therefore, I wouldn't benefit from an Intel CPU over an AMD one? Asides from iRacing, I play PlanetSide 2, which is supposedly notorious on CPUs... then again, with the latest optimization patches, I'm having no CPU problems whatsoever, GPU-bound all the way. I have a 6850 and FX-4170.

EDIT: rFactor 2 is still in early beta, the sim is a plague of bugs, crashes and poor performance across all hardware.
Edited by Forde3654Eire - 3/4/14 at 6:23pm
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AMD - General
Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD - General › AMD build, please review