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Thanks!

Alright I'll stick with the G.Skill Sniper RAM modules. After combo discount, they're only $4 more than the cheapest 1600 1.5V modules, Team RAM.

Gigabyte GTX 760 looking good at $250. The R9 270 / HD 7870 is borderline enough to run iRacing at maximum graphics preset at 5760x1080. But will 2GB VRAM be enough for 5760x1080 resolution spanning 3 monitors? On my own build (see sig-rig), MSI Afterburner reports 900MB VRAM usage on a single monitor at 1920x1080...
Should be, I run 3 monitors off my 2 2GB GTX 770's and I rarely get to 1.7GB with custom shaders and such.

Are you sure about the EVGA 600 B? Tom's Hardware used the 500W version in their latest budget build, along with the i5-3470 and R9 280X. I, however, really like the Seasonic 550W the moderator advised here. Is there a non-modular version of it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119
I trust nothing from Tom's, most of the members are intel/EVGA fanboys. There is no non-modular Seasonic G-series, sort of. If my memory serves me correctly, this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068 is based off the Seasonic G-series.

As for the HAF 912: removable HDD cage, 8-pin CPU connector cut-out, thicker steel and very rigid body are well worth $15 more in my opinion.
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It's not possible to write an article that compares and contrasts products without natural biases showing up in the language whether intended or not. There's nothing wrong with tomshardware on the overall. They don't always hit the nail on the head but I certainly can not write them off the way so many here do. They are human and won't always be able to eliminate all shreds of bias because it is simply not possible. They routinely recommend intel and AMD and NV products. The biggest "flaw" at Toms, is NOT a bias, rather, an inability to spot and point out what some of their test results actually mean (they don't do a very good job figuring out what the bottleneck is and pointing it out). I have heard that they are biased from many people here and have yet to find any evidence to support that on the large scale. Every article has some bias but I have seen no trending to say that they are heavily slanted one way or the other. In recent years I would say they have given AMD the benefit of the doubt a lot more than they really would have to all things considered. I've been reading articles at tomshardware for over a decade. I've always built AMD rigs for various reasons through the years for myself. If Tomshardware had been Intel bias all those years, then it's simply not possible that I would have wound up choosing AMD over and over again, as they have had a hand in influencing my view of hardware value etc.

The drive-by character-assassinations of computer hardware review sites with no supporting evidence is very very common among hardware enthusiasts who frequent forums. It tells us more about the insecurities of the person performing the character assassination than it does about the review site. If you like TomsHardware, there's nothing wrong with that. Just do your due diligence and get second opinions as they are not infallible.


Most EVGA PSUs are in fact junk. However the units OEMed by SuperFlower are very nice. The 600B is not one of the finer examples of an EVGA PSU as I recall.


VRAM usage is very misunderstood. It only scales up with resolution by meaningful amounts when AA or other scaling/sampling is turned on that increases the size of frame that is rendered to something far larger than the final output. Turning on AA (or other "scaling/multi-sampling etc methods), increases the "effective" resolution that must be rendered and then down-sampled.

The difference in frame buffer requirements from 1080P to 3x1080P with NO AA, (and no other form of down-sampling/scaling going on), is only about 32MB. When AA is turned ON, this tiny difference can scale up to hundreds of MB depending on how high AA is set. MOST VRAM usage is texture storage, which remains static regardless of resolution. That scales with texture detail settings.

An ATI Radeon 9000 (~12 year old GPU) with 64MB VRAM was demonstrated capable of operating at resolutions as high as 3840 x 2400 in 24 bit color mode. (very similar to 5760x1080P@32bbp)
     
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Great stuff, thank you!

I'll stick with the Seasonic G550 and go for the MSI GTX 770 2GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127741

One last thing, forgot to mention the monitors. I'm looking for budget 1080p monitors, 3 of them, for triple screen racing. The monitors won't be lined up in a straight line, rather, the 2 outer monitors will be angled at 45 degrees to the center monitor, as if enclosing the driver in a real car. The monitors will also be very close to the driver, with the center monitor positioned right in front of the Logitech G27 steering wheel rim, no more than an arm's length away.

As far as size goes, most simulation drivers use 24" monitors. I find 27" monitors to be a good bit more expensive, as compared to the small price increases from 21.5" to 24" sizes... so unless there are any good affordable 27" monitors, I'll stick with 24".

No need for HDMI and / or displayport inputs if they come with a price increase. DVI is necessary.

Here's a video to give you an idea of the monitor placement.
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Great stuff, thank you!

I'll stick with the Seasonic G550 and go for the MSI GTX 770 2GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127741

One last thing, forgot to mention the monitors. I'm looking for budget 1080p monitors, 3 of them, for triple screen racing. The monitors won't be lined up in a straight line, rather, the 2 outer monitors will be angled at 45 degrees to the center monitor, as if enclosing the driver in a real car. The monitors will also be very close to the driver, with the center monitor positioned right in front of the Logitech G27 steering wheel rim, no more than an arm's length away.

As far as size goes, most simulation drivers use 24" monitors. I find 27" monitors to be a good bit more expensive, as compared to the small price increases from 21.5" to 24" sizes... so unless there are any good affordable 27" monitors, I'll stick with 24".

No need for HDMI and / or displayport inputs if they come with a price increase. DVI is necessary.

Here's a video to give you an idea of the monitor placement.
Good choice on GPU wink.gif I hear good things about it.

As it pertains to monitors, I have 3 of these (basically, two of them are the year before's models), http://products.ncix.com/detail/asus-vs247h-p-23-6in-widescreen-led-1b-64582-1285.htm excellent monitor, 3 of them, 2 used, not one dead pixel. If you want something with a smaller bezel (its not huge, but it is noticable), I see nothing wrong with this monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009483.
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I heard the ASUS monitors are really good, especially the VS247H and VS248H... what is the difference between them though? Is the VS248H newer and / or better?

I've had 3 of these saved in my wish list a while now, Acer G246HLAbd.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009422

They're the most popular least expensive 24" monitors on Newegg. Now, if I was going to buy just one monitor, I'd pay the $30 more for the VS247H... however, I'm getting 3, that's nearly $100 difference between them. Are the VS247H monitors worth the extra $100?

My knowledge on monitors is quite limited. I myself grabbed the best cheap-ass bargain around 4 years ago. BenQ G2420HD 24" LCD monitor. No complaints racing on this monitor. If they were still around I'd buy 3 of them.

Additionally, yes how could I forget? Sound... I've opted to go with speakers for now instead of headphones. I'll be showcasing and demonstrating racing on the finished cockpit to the university, would be awkward to have no sound haha... will get the headphones later.

Been to the audio section here many times, saw all the stickies. Only recommendation for computer speakers are the Creative T3130 2.1 speakers... which I happen to own biggrin.gif They are discontinued however. Replacement are the T3300... are they at least equally as good?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836116071
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I personally would grab the 650w for the future

those two boards are basically identical minus a few less features on the 970, same phase design on them which is more than enough to push that cpu to its limits. if you plan on going xfire in the future grab the 990 if not the 970 will do just fine.



also why not grab a single 27" 1440p for 300 vs 3 monitors? either way your going to need a good card for both setups, a single overclocked 7970 will push 1440p on mostly ultra in bf3 around 60fps with some lower dips on occasion


dont forget a cpu heatsink as well biggrin.gif
 
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I heard the ASUS monitors are really good, especially the VS247H and VS248H... what is the difference between them though? Is the VS248H newer and / or better?

I've had 3 of these saved in my wish list a while now, Acer G246HLAbd.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009422

They're the most popular least expensive 24" monitors on Newegg. Now, if I was going to buy just one monitor, I'd pay the $30 more for the VS247H... however, I'm getting 3, that's nearly $100 difference between them. Are the VS247H monitors worth the extra $100?

My knowledge on monitors is quite limited. I myself grabbed the best cheap-ass bargain around 4 years ago. BenQ G2420HD 24" LCD monitor. No complaints racing on this monitor. If they were still around I'd buy 3 of them.

Additionally, yes how could I forget? Sound... I've opted to go with speakers for now instead of headphones. I'll be showcasing and demonstrating racing on the finished cockpit to the university, would be awkward to have no sound haha... will get the headphones later.

Been to the audio section here many times, saw all the stickies. Only recommendation for computer speakers are the Creative T3130 2.1 speakers... which I happen to own biggrin.gif They are discontinued however. Replacement are the T3300... are they at least equally as good?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836116071
Im not sure about Acer's monitors. Im very familiar with Asus ones though. The VS248H is a 24" and the other is a 23.6". Also the 248H has a little higher CRD. You probably wouldn't notice a difference between the two so no, not really worth the extra $$$ IMO.

As far as cheaper computer speakers go, those are decent. I personally spent the extra $$$ and got Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's. Love them, great sound quality. They do cost a pretty penny though. You should be fine with those creatives, but these Klipsch's will reproduce the bassy undertones of the car's better.
http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-2-1-computer-speakers
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I'll stick with the Creative T3300. They will just be general purpose speakers for demonstrations and showcases at the university. A decent affordable pair of headphones is what I'm looking to get for my personal use... but that will be some other time.

Keyboard and mouse, I believe the standard budget gamer's pick, Logitech MK120.

I'll do a bit of reading up on the Acer monitors and see if they're a good bargain. The Acer has 5ms response time, compared to 2ms from the ASUS, not sure if that really makes a difference.

Both have 1 problem though, the outward facing DVI ports. I'm going to mount these monitors on a DIY PVC stand with MDF boards using VESA mounts, just like my own single screen setup. Clearance between ports and board will not be enough. I could make cut-outs in the MDF though... my BenQ already has downward facing ports, no hassle.
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I'll stick with the Creative T3300. They will just be general purpose speakers for demonstrations and showcases at the university. A decent affordable pair of headphones is what I'm looking to get for my personal use... but that will be some other time.

Keyboard and mouse, I believe the standard budget gamer's pick, Logitech MK120.

I'll do a bit of reading up on the Acer monitors and see if they're a good bargain. The Acer has 5ms response time, compared to 2ms from the ASUS, not sure if that really makes a difference.

Both have 1 problem though, the outward facing DVI ports. I'm going to mount these monitors on a DIY PVC stand with MDF boards using VESA mounts, just like my own single screen setup. Clearance between ports and board will not be enough. I could make cut-outs in the MDF though... my BenQ already has downward facing ports, no hassle.
Buy a drill bit for making a large enough hole to get the DVI port in, it will be cheaper then buying a monitor to fit the un-built stand.
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Yep will do that, better than paying a lot more for downward facing ports.

Well, that's about it smile.gif Thanks a million for all your help, really saved me from grabbing that EVGA 600 B haha! Wouldn't like to see the entire setup turn into a fireworks display. Looks like I'm all set and ready, will start ordering soon enough.

Last thing to just check over once more would be the case. I started off with the NZXT Phantom 410, magnificent work of art. $100 is not so appealing though, and irresponsible should I say? rolleyes.gif Did some research on budget cases, listed entire Newegg cases line-up by price, low to high. Rosewill Challenger fits the bill really well, $50. Then again, keeping this thing for at least a good 5 years, want something that will last. Continued down the list and next option was the HAF 912 and Carbide 200r. 300r comes next, but at a hefty $80 and not much at all to add onto either HAF 912 or 200r.

Have I missed anything? I was surprised by the overwhelming number of mediocre cases, compared to a very very small number of good cases to choose from. What other good cases could I go with for not more than $60?
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