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I don't really care about boot time (what? A second?). I care about speeding load times, and application / game use.

Anand said the same back in 2010 when testing early SSD Raid 0.. and they are better now then they were then.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3618/intel-x25v-in-raid0-faster-than-x25m-g2-for-250/7

As far as potential data loss... has anyone looked at the MTBF on current SSD's? Not really an issue. Would I do it in the Enterprise? Yes.. with good backups. Home use? Again.. backups!

But not worth arguing about... lol!

 

Today's drives are much faster. I do not think it translates well with the current crop of 550 MB/s drives.

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post #22 of 55

Risk of failure may be not worth the discussion, but added performance isn't worth the discussion either. 

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post #23 of 55
Unless you do extremely intensive read/write tasks, only mirroring disks adds a layer of worthiness IMO.

It wasn't the case with platter disks, though,
   
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I don't really care about boot time (what? A second?). I care about speeding load times, and application / game use.

Anand said the same back in 2010 when testing early SSD Raid 0.. and they are better now then they were then.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3618/intel-x25v-in-raid0-faster-than-x25m-g2-for-250/7

As far as potential data loss... has anyone looked at the MTBF on current SSD's? Not really an issue. Would I do it in the Enterprise? Yes.. with good backups. Home use? Again.. backups!

But not worth arguing about... lol!
A modern SSD is basically 3-4 faster in all aspects than 2010 SSD. There are diminishing returns with storage as it becomes less of the bottleneck. We basically hit that point with consumer workloads 1-2 years ago.

MTBF is NOT life expectancy. Consumers should basically never look at MTBF unless they are running hundreds of devices.
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As mentioned, faster boots don't really figure into my decision to go R0 either...I'm all about app/game load times and faster large file transfers (mostly video) that I do a lot of....moving a 1GB file from my boot array to my 4xV2 temp storage is just blindingly fast. I'm not concerned about losing a member drive really...in most cases, if a drive is gonna fail (hdd or ssd) it will do so in the first couple of months. I alway put my new drives thru a 3 month 'burn-in' period before I even think about raiding them...I recommend world + dog do the same....oh, one more tip for R0...backups!biggrin.gif
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Copying a 1GB file to/from, say, a couple of 840 EVO's in JBOD would take all of 2 seconds. Besides, your Vertex 2's are all 50GB models. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that array tops out at 600MB/s dealing with incompressible data. rolleyes.gif

As for your conjecture regarding drive failure, various large scale case studies suggest otherwise.
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post #27 of 55
In the real world, you'd rarely if ever notice a difference. You'll get some sick benchmark numbers if you run SSD's in RAID 0, but RAID 0's best use in the real world is to speed up performance with an array of mechanical drives.
     
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post #28 of 55
A buddy who works in the server center for my university says that RAID is ALWAYS a bad idea unless it is on professional equipment.
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post #29 of 55
RAID0 SSD would be awesome for live performances using VSTi (virtual instruments mapped to a MIDI keyboard). The marginal speed increase would allow a reduction in buffer size, resulting in less audible artefacts. Beyond that, I can't think of too many real world advantages, aside from feeling a tiny bit cooler on the inside. biggrin.gif
post #30 of 55
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my boot times halved when i was running platter drives in raid 0 vs a single plater drive......

i know we are talking ssds here but i seriously doubt its going to slow down your boot at all.

I agree, I noticed an increase in speed of the windows 7 boot. My windows logo doesn't even join up on boot and then it's gone and the desktop is available. thumb.gif
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