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I agree, I noticed an increase in speed of the windows 7 boot. My windows logo doesn't even join up on boot and then it's gone and the desktop is available. thumb.gif

Any single current SSD will do that...
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A buddy who works in the server center for my university says that RAID is ALWAYS a bad idea unless it is on professional equipment.

That's really a broad generalization. And not something I really agree with either. If he's trying to make the case that RAID 0 is a bad idea, then I may hear him out, but to say raid is always a bad idea is just an ignorant statement.
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I thought with a SSD you get pretty close to hitting a bus cap or something. I that why they are starting to push PCIE SSD cards.
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That feel when one of the drives in a RAID0 array crashes... oh well, back in the day well before SSD drives, it was definitely worth the risk. Now days, I don't feel it really is ... but hey, personal preference! I never went back and gave RAID5 a go, simply due to the outlay, but I reckon if cost effectiveness isn't your motivation, that's the way to go if you want to push things.
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I thought with a SSD you get pretty close to hitting a bus cap or something. I that why they are starting to push PCIE SSD cards.

Modern SSD's can saturate a SATA III port (600MB/s theoretical max) which is the cap/limit often referenced. Since you've likely got more than one SATA port on your motherboard, you can combine drives in RAID-0 for faster throughput. Maximum combined bandwidth (DMI, mobo to CPU) available for onboard SATA, USB, ethernet, etc is 2GB/s theoretical so you still have a bit of play available for RAID (albeit likely not enough for 4 drives based on benchmarks). The PCIe x16 slots usually intended for graphics card have their own dedicated bandwidth so a discrete hardware RAID card can offer even greater throughput.
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RAID 0 on SSDs is worth it in two scenarios:

1. You need a single volume with greater capacity than any single one of your SSDs.

2. You are doing something that needs massive sequential read/write performance (working with raw 4k video, for example) and you cannot fit enough standard HDDs in the system/array to suffice.
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RAID 0 on SSDs is worth it in two scenarios:

1. You need a single volume with greater capacity than any single one of your SSDs.

2. You are doing something that needs massive sequential read/write performance (working with raw 4k video, for example) and you cannot fit enough standard HDDs in the system/array to suffice.

The whole point was to get faster reads and writes. If he didnt care about those he would go with an HDD. So, if you can increase those speeds, awesome, but is it noticeable? If all it does is speed up your boot time by a few seconds, but you leave your computer on overnight... then boot times are negligable. What about game loading times? Or other stuff?
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seems like its each to their own. Im sure there are times when a game that normally takes a bit longer than you would like to load between levels is benefited by a raid 0 SSD.

also it seems like at the lower end there maybe cost savings going with 2xssd vs 1 slightly larger model.
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The whole point was to get faster reads and writes. If he didnt care about those he would go with an HDD. So, if you can increase those speeds, awesome, but is it noticeable? If all it does is speed up your boot time by a few seconds, but you leave your computer on overnight... then boot times are negligable. What about game loading times? Or other stuff?
Faster sequential performance..... but again, there are very few instances that users load GBs of sequential data into memory. Or move multi-GB files across storage on the same machine.

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seems like its each to their own. Im sure there are times when a game that normally takes a bit longer than you would like to load between levels is benefited by a raid 0 SSD.
Doubtful it would be noticeable in games with modern SSDs.... most of the game's assets are already in memory. In addition, game loads are not straight reads into memory. There often is some unpacking and decompression with loading as well.
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That's really a broad generalization. And not something I really agree with either. If he's trying to make the case that RAID 0 is a bad idea, then I may hear him out, but to say raid is always a bad idea is just an ignorant statement.

Well I paraphrased and I guess I used a poor choice of words. When I wanted to RAID my HDDs, he broke it down technically why I should not. Now that I think about it, he probably didn't say all the time, but he said that consumer grade HDDs and SSDs are not made for RAID and that it is only a matter of time before something goes wrong. He said that your chances of having a problem double with 2 HDDs. He says that unless you have error checking mechanisms in place like the kind that, for example, our university's computer servers have, you are playing Russian roulette with RAID. He told me that you need to have a way to skip bad sectors if they pop up and the HDDs need to be able to recognize that error and work around it, otherwise they will be stuck and will not be able to continue. A RAID solution like that would be a lot of money however. But I didn't get that detailed in my answer and when I think about it I should have worded it differently. I am not an expert in RAID but I do know that us computer lovers sometimes like to push the limits and sometimes pushing the limits is a bad thing. By this I mean that sometimes we do things that are really not meant for consumers to do and the hardware was not built for that. I know of someone on these boards who wanted to overclock his SSD. Bad idea. Another person wanted to overclock his RAM for gaming and it was already at 1600 and I told him that 1600 MHz is perfectly sufficient for gaming and there is no reason to overclock that.
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