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I've tried pretty much all MMORPG-targeted mice, and they all have numerous flaws, but all in all the Naga is king.

G600: too wide for comfort unless you have huge hands, tracking is an utter disaster, G-shift is too easy to press.

Cyborg/Madcatz M.M.O. 7: tracking issues, looks and feels like a cheap kid's toy, uncomfortable, pricey

M90/95: unintuitive/hard to press thumb buttons, lack of programmability, and contrary to a comment I read above, the sensor is far from flawless (Avago A9800 has positive acceleration).

Steelseries WoW/Cataclysm: no. Just no.

Naga: Z-axis bug (negligible), pricey


Note: I don't think acceleration matters in MMORPG, but I put it out there anyway.
Note 2: when I say a mouse is uncomfortable, it's not personal, but information gathered from general user feedback on the internet

Oh and trust me, keyboard binds, as efficient as you can make them, are no substitute for having most of your spells on the mouse. You want to be able to cast spells without letting go of WASD, or you get a guaranteed performance loss, especially in PvP.
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"Oh and trust me, keyboard binds, as efficient as you can make them, are no substitute for having most of your spells on the mouse. You want to be able to cast spells without letting go of WASD, or you get a guaranteed performance loss, especially in PvP."

+1.

And thats why u need mouse with additional buttons in MMO. But as I said and ill stick to that if ur good MMO player u should use macro for targetting instead of using mouse to point targets(unless its AOE spell ofc, but it dont have to be very precise then((sensor))).
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"Oh and trust me, keyboard binds, as efficient as you can make them, are no substitute for having most of your spells on the mouse. You want to be able to cast spells without letting go of WASD, or you get a guaranteed performance loss, especially in PvP."

+1.

And thats why u need mouse with additional buttons in MMO. But as I said and ill stick to that if ur good MMO player u should use macro for targetting instead of using mouse to point targets(unless its AOE spell ofc, but it dont have to be very precise then((sensor))).

what do you mean by macro targetting, you can really only macro target in 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5, but it 10v10+ its kinda pointless
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I've tried pretty much all MMORPG-targeted mice, and they all have numerous flaws, but all in all the Naga is king.

G600: too wide for comfort unless you have huge hands, tracking is an utter disaster, G-shift is too easy to press.

Cyborg/Madcatz M.M.O. 7: tracking issues, looks and feels like a cheap kid's toy, uncomfortable, pricey

M90/95: unintuitive/hard to press thumb buttons, lack of programmability, and contrary to a comment I read above, the sensor is far from flawless (Avago A9800 has positive acceleration).

Steelseries WoW/Cataclysm: no. Just no.

Naga: Z-axis bug (negligible), pricey


Note: I don't think acceleration matters in MMORPG, but I put it out there anyway.
Note 2: when I say a mouse is uncomfortable, it's not personal, but information gathered from general user feedback on the internet

Oh and trust me, keyboard binds, as efficient as you can make them, are no substitute for having most of your spells on the mouse. You want to be able to cast spells without letting go of WASD, or you get a guaranteed performance loss, especially in PvP.
I have the strangest feeling you haven't used half these mice, either that or you have uncomfortably small hands.
I have used all the mice mentioned with the exclusion of the Steelseries one.

G600: Very good for any palm/claw grip person. Decent sensor, good programmability. Looks like someone walked up to the G500 and slashed a hole in the side and put buttons in it. Sometimes its hard to tell which set of buttons you're on.

MMO7: Terrible sensor, everything else is perfect. Fits any hand (due to it being modular), good amount of buttons and has a D-pad essentially on the mouse that can be programmed to WASD if you wanted. Side buttons feel a little cheap (excluding the d-pad).

M95: Great for Claw/Fingertip grip people (not for me). Side buttons felt a little cheap, granted im used to logitech switches so take that with a grain of salt. Sensor is good, never experienced a problem with it. Good programability with the new software.

Naga: Same flawed sensor as the MMO7. Buttons feel a little nicer then the M95, but not much. Not sure what grip style is good for it, my hand hated the ergonomics (but thats just me, so grain of salt). I personally don't like the Razer software, not because its not functional or anything, but because they keep reminding you that you bought a razer product by flashing their logo at any chance they get. And before anyone says that all software does this, my logitech software doesn't. Name is at the top of the program, which im fine with, and thats it.

Steelseries: From what I've seen and felt with the sensei, looks and probably feels cheap. But i've never used it, so yeah.
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I use a Razer Naga Molten Edition, I love having 14 extra buttons for mapping, and I have no issues with it that a firmware update didn't fix.

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I love my G600 with its side buttons (makes healing super easy). Just my 2c
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what do you mean by macro targetting, you can really only macro target in 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5, but it 10v10+ its kinda pointless

What u mean only? Macros in raids are basic. U can macro target members of team, objectives and enemies as well.

If u stick with same team, u should have prepared macro scheme to target particular members of ur team(especially key persons in particular encounter - almost always tanks if u are healer or champion with survi ability that helps them(like paladin)).
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I have the strangest feeling you haven't used half these mice, either that or you have uncomfortably small hands.
I have used all the mice mentioned with the exclusion of the Steelseries one.
Are you basing this on anything other than the G600? Because I haven't mentioned size in regards to the other mice, in which case your feeling that I haven't used half of them is pretty baseless. Regardless, I have used them all, and I have medium sized hands, so your hands either have a shape that somehow works well with the G600, or you have particularly low standards. Actually, the latter is pretty much assumed since you think the MMO7 is a good mouse.

As for the Naga... if your main argument is vendor software then you're not making much of a case. Outside of firmware updates, Synapse is completely unnecessary. I don't need it to use the Naga to its full potential, especially because the thumb grid emulates the numpad by default. Vendor software is moot, which is why I didn't mention it at all.
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Are you basing this on anything other than the G600? Because I haven't mentioned size in regards to the other mice, in which case your feeling that I haven't used half of them is pretty baseless. Regardless, I have used them all, and I have medium sized hands, so your hands either have a shape that somehow works well with the G600, or you have particularly low standards. Actually, the latter is pretty much assumed since you think the MMO7 is a good mouse.

As for the Naga... if your main argument is vendor software then you're not making much of a case. Outside of firmware updates, Synapse is completely unnecessary. I don't need it to use the Naga to its full potential, especially because the thumb grid emulates the numpad by default. Vendor software is moot, which is why I didn't mention it at all.
Did you even read it? I said I couldn't tell what grip its for because my hand hated the shape. I didn't say it was a bad shape, I just said it was a bad shape for me. And I don't have low standards at all. You've never used the MMO7, and I can tell because everyone who says they have always mentions the shape and how it looks cheap. I don't see how it looks cheap at all. The Steelseries Sensei looks cheap, feels cheap too. The MMO7 feels quite solid, and the fact that it has a metal sub-frame like the M90/M95 means its very sturdy. The side buttons yes, do feel a bit flimsy and cheap, but overall its very solid. Its just that damn sensor and its crap quality. Naga has same problem because it has the same sensor.
Please stop being a razer fanboy (don't lie we can all see it, the naga has a ton of problems, just like every other MMO style mouse)

Honestly, I don't recommend any MMO style mouse. Get a mouse like the G700/G602 that has like 5+ buttons. The MMO style mouse is trying too hard to be everything. Truth is they almost all use a bad sensor/lower quality parts because they want to make it cheap as possible and give the person who bought it a bigger e-peen by saying, "MY MOUSE CAN GO TO 920000DPI AND HAS 38 BUTTONS!" Long story short, I can't recommend any of the mice listed here.
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Did you even read it? I said I couldn't tell what grip its for because my hand hated the shape. I didn't say it was a bad shape, I just said it was a bad shape for me. And I don't have low standards at all. You've never used the MMO7, and I can tell because everyone who says they have always mentions the shape and how it looks cheap. I don't see how it looks cheap at all. The Steelseries Sensei looks cheap, feels cheap too. The MMO7 feels quite solid, and the fact that it has a metal sub-frame like the M90/M95 means its very sturdy. The side buttons yes, do feel a bit flimsy and cheap, but overall its very solid. Its just that damn sensor and its crap quality. Naga has same problem because it has the same sensor.
Please stop being a razer fanboy (don't lie we can all see it, the naga has a ton of problems, just like every other MMO style mouse)

Honestly, I don't recommend any MMO style mouse. Get a mouse like the G700/G602 that has like 5+ buttons. The MMO style mouse is trying too hard to be everything. Truth is they almost all use a bad sensor/lower quality parts because they want to make it cheap as possible and give the person who bought it a bigger e-peen by saying, "MY MOUSE CAN GO TO 920000DPI AND HAS 38 BUTTONS!" Long story short, I can't recommend any of the mice listed here.

I would even argue that the G700 is a no-go for sensor, but that might be getting a little too picky for MMO players. The G602 is a fantastic mouse, on the other hand.

It's amazing how people still even consider using PTE mice...
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