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Strap the high RPM AMD 70mm fan to the Logysis, I bet it performs on par or better than the push/pull. Note: the position of the heat-pipes relative to the highest air-flow from a 120mm fan. (not good).
     
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I seem to remember Logisys bought DeepCool, possibly because DeepCool was in trouble?
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Yeah I knew it couldn't be sub ambient. Which temperature is the socket temp if any of these? The 27c?

Yep, but use HWiNFO64, Sensors, youll like it much better. smile.gif







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Not knockin ya, just surprised that Logisys actually makes what appears to be a decent heatpipe direct touch air cooler. I always thought of them like Rosewill, an el cheapo generic off brand to be avoided.

They used to make some horrendously bad power supplies that geeks.com carried. You know the type, 600 claimed watts and the whole unit weighed about a pound and sold for about $9.99. Put more than 200 watts on it and it would burst into flames, heh.
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Strap the high RPM AMD 70mm fan to the Logysis, I bet it performs on par or better than the push/pull. Note: the position of the heat-pipes relative to the highest air-flow from a 120mm fan. (not good).

Well I tested your idea just out of curiosity, and it ended up being hotter under load by 4c compared to my setup on the lowest rpm. When it got up to load it would be far too loud also. My two fans in push pull are silent when on the lowest setting, and not as loud as the AMD on full speed. I can only hear the one stock fan my case came with as it wouldn't connect to my fan controller. Also, where is the highest airflow of a 120mm fan? I am assuming everywhere but the center. Assuming this is correct, the center heat pipes still receive airflow on the bottom, and on the top.
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I seem to remember Logisys bought DeepCool, possibly because DeepCool was in trouble?
Could be, whatever the reasoning, I'm glad they did thumb.gif
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Yep, but use HWiNFO64, Sensors, youll like it much better. smile.gif
They used to make some horrendously bad power supplies that geeks.com carried. You know the type, 600 claimed watts and the whole unit weighed about a pound and sold for about $9.99. Put more than 200 watts on it and it would burst into flames, heh.

I will check that out for sure. Thanks for the tip.
Haha yeah, I have still seen some cases made by them with a 500watt power supply included, for $25. Seems legit.
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Hold your hand in front of a loose 120mm fan blowing sometime and you'll see why I had that hypothesis. Without a shroud in place to direct air-flow, it's almost a radial pattern extending out away from the center of the fan as much as it is blowing "sideways."

Most of the heat-pipe coolers that have the pipes lined up side-by-side like your Logysis are mediocre performers. I've been trying to figure out "why" for awhile now and figured the most likely issue is that the placement of the heatpipes doesn't very well match the air-flow from the fans. Thus- my theory about using the smaller fan to achieve better flow-where-it-counts wink.gif Didn't pan out as I expected. I really appreciate you trying it though! I guess I'm back to the drawing board on this one.

Did you let the little AMD fan get up to full stride in the test per chance? I mean, they can really get up to some nutty speeds with high velocity airflow if you have the fan from the "140W" AMD HSF. (the one with the heat-pipes and copper base).

I suspect the push/pull probably helps "straighten out" the flow and better direct it through the cooler, rather than just get blown out the sides.
     
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It is a Deepcool design. I bought one of those on sale from Newegg too. Its a damn nice HSF. Built in AMD clips are kind of hard to find these days and installing it is about as easy as it gets as a result. Plus the fan is a nice rubberized Deepcool 120mm - no need for insulation pads or strips to keep down vibrations. Runs very cool - slightly better than the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 it replaced.
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Runs very cool - slightly better than the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 it replaced.
Four direct contact heatpipes are better than three, heh. smile.gif
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Most of the heat-pipe coolers that have the pipes lined up side-by-side like your Logysis are mediocre performers. I've been trying to figure out "why" for awhile now and figured the most likely issue is that the placement of the heatpipes doesn't very well match the air-flow from the fans. Thus- my theory about using the smaller fan to achieve better flow-where-it-counts wink.gif Didn't pan out as I expected. I really appreciate you trying it though! I guess I'm back to the drawing board on this one.
I think I would try a duct tape fan shroud in the push pull arrangement so the air doesnt escape thru the sides. (duct tape is available in many colors, so it wouldnt have to be ugly)
    
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Four direct contact heatpipes are better than three, heh. smile.gif

Whatever. You know its not as cut and dried as that. Its competitive in that segment and a good budget air choice for an AMD system. That integrated AMD clip is worth it for me.
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personally i like the current push pull setup. but if you really are looking to get better air flow through the heatsink. get an ap121 fan from silverstone(or ap121-L if you want led). no need for a shroud as the ap121 as controlled air follow and it is really quiet while moving a massive amount of air at 35.36 CFM.

demo video:

and if you want something even quieter then then ap121 get a ap123. and it still moves air at 31.4 CFM

demo video:
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Hold your hand in front of a loose 120mm fan blowing sometime and you'll see why I had that hypothesis. Without a shroud in place to direct air-flow, it's almost a radial pattern extending out away from the center of the fan as much as it is blowing "sideways."

Most of the heat-pipe coolers that have the pipes lined up side-by-side like your Logysis are mediocre performers. I've been trying to figure out "why" for awhile now and figured the most likely issue is that the placement of the heatpipes doesn't very well match the air-flow from the fans. Thus- my theory about using the smaller fan to achieve better flow-where-it-counts wink.gif Didn't pan out as I expected. I really appreciate you trying it though! I guess I'm back to the drawing board on this one.

Did you let the little AMD fan get up to full stride in the test per chance? I mean, they can really get up to some nutty speeds with high velocity airflow if you have the fan from the "140W" AMD HSF. (the one with the heat-pipes and copper base).

I suspect the push/pull probably helps "straighten out" the flow and better direct it through the cooler, rather than just get blown out the sides.

Well just from feeling the airflow with my hand, it felt directed fairly well. A good strong gust throughout the face.

Well, from what I have seen, and why I chose this cooler. The linear design for the heatpipes is found on better performing coolers. For example, the Noctua NH-D14 and the SilverStone Heligon HE01 both have linear heatpipes. I know these are also dual heatsink designs, but I believe this design to be superior. Instead of two hot areas dissipating with all of the heat pipes blocking airflow, multiple heat pipes in a line would offer more even heat dispersion along with no detriment to the airflow reaching the heatpipe behind it. I have no actual proof of this being better, just my 3 years (so far) of mechanical engineering classes. thumb.gif

And yes it whirred up all the way to full speed. Once it got around 55c it was at full speed.

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It is a Deepcool design. I bought one of those on sale from Newegg too. Its a damn nice HSF. Built in AMD clips are kind of hard to find these days and installing it is about as easy as it gets as a result. Plus the fan is a nice rubberized Deepcool 120mm - no need for insulation pads or strips to keep down vibrations. Runs very cool - slightly better than the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 it replaced.

Yeah I did notice the fan was of a nice quality. I unfortunately couldn't use the fan clips in the traditional way, as the screw holes were a solid piece, not ending at each side.
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Four direct contact heatpipes are better than three, heh. smile.gif
I think I would try a duct tape fan shroud in the push pull arrangement so the air doesnt escape thru the sides. (duct tape is available in many colors, so it wouldnt have to be ugly)

Just by feel, there isn't much air escaping. Probably due to the fan pulling the air. If I run into temperature issues I will definitely give it a shot.
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personally i like the current push pull setup. but if you really are looking to get better air flow through the heatsink. get an ap121 fan from silverstone(or ap121-L if you want led). no need for a shroud as the ap121 as controlled air follow and it is really quiet while moving a massive amount of air at 35.36 CFM.

demo video:

and if you want something even quieter then then ap121 get a ap123. and it still moves air at 31.4 CFM

demo video:

Dang, the differences were quite drastic. These fans I have were $12 for the two, and are "rated" at 81 cfm. They are actually quiet when on the lowest setting and still keep my cpu temps under 50 while gaming. If they ever break and can afford to not cheap out again, I will definitely look in to those.
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